Posted on 02/27/2009 8:34:48 AM PST by DouglasKC
You may have read that the Obama administration has altered United States government policy and has sanctioned "medical" marijuana by ending raids on "clinics" where "medical" marijuana is passed out.
The use of quotes in the paragraph above is deliberate. It's my view and the views of millions of conservatives that there is no such thing as "medical" marijuana...or at least in the way it's being presented to the public.
"Medical" marijuana is simply a term for pot being sold for profit under the guise that it helps a plethora of medical problems. The "clinics" are essentially drug dens that are attempting to gain a little more respectability. It has been the policy of the United States government to raid and shut down these clinics.
Now here's the problem. There are many so called conservatives that support these drug dens. They say that it's a states right issue. That this isn't a power delegated to the United States government.
Clearly this is a debatable point. For example I would offer that it's in the best interest of the country to ban something that is in the worst interest of the country. For example if we had a communist power develop a drug that would make our citizens lazy and unproductive then nobody would argue that we should allow this power to freely distribute this drug in the United States. There would be no hew and cry about "states rights".
But nonetheless there are those who have seized upon the issue of "medical" marijuana as the ultimate expression of states rights. That's fine. That's their rights as Americans. But here's what I wish.
I wish they would be honest and apply the same standard to abortion and pornography. I wish they would stand up and proclaim that abortion and pornography are in the same league. Because if you want to embrace their viewpoint you MUST embrace pornography and abortion.
Abortion, by their logic, should also be a state right. Pornography, by their logic, should also be a state right. Yet the federal government has mandated, by court decisions and law, that the support of these issues are the law of the land.
Now I happen to believe the opposite. I think these two issues are so dangerous to the country as a whole that they SHOULD be banned nationwide for the common welfare of the union of states.
What happened? It's easy. Religious morality stopped in government. We went from a nation governed by religion based morals a government based on amoral, or immoral principles. And let me make it clear..when I say religious morals I'm talking precisely about Judeo-Christian morality...or at least what this morality used to be.
And here's what these so called new conservatives fail to conserve. They fail to conserve the religious morality that stopped our leaders from ruling from a non-principled viewpoint. They fail to conserve the idea that right and wrong don't come from man or man's laws, but from God, the creator of man. They fail to conserve the notion that certain things are repugnant to God and to those who have His morals.
They have taken up the mantle of the 60's generation. Sex and drugs. Don't tell us what to do. We don't like your morals. Once they succeeded in tearing down God, they began working on the government.
John Adams, the 2nd President of the United States said "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Oh so true. Without morals and religion our constitution fails. It breaks. It doesn't work. It's inadequate. It can be twisted and shaped to whatever viewpoint the rulers want.
Pot. Abortion. Pornography. All of these are issues that a moral people and a moral government instinctively reject. But remove morality from the equation and anything goes. God save us.
Now I'll put $40 on the table. If Jim will respond with a firm statement for or against Liberaltarians... the $40 is on the way.
And I repeat... we need another one of these threads. For Liberaltarians.
I know two half-brothers. One has solid woodworking skills and has no trouble holding a job and never causes anyone a like of trouble. The other is a worthless psycho with no values whatsoever who wrecks cars driving without a license and assaults people.
The former smokes pot. The latter is a crackhead.
Guess who is in jail for four years here in PA and guess who got probation for having a couple of rocks on him? Stupid, stupid, stupid law enforcement and justice. The crackhead needs to be in jail - he's gonna kill or maim someone someday.
There are plenty of mean drunks. I haven't encountered any mean stoners yet.
Exactly. The left managed to start destroying the Republican party when they divorced morality and religion from politics. Thus we have so called conservatives who only conserve a bastardized version of the constitution but conveniently forget that it was formulated and designed to work by moral people for moral people.
I believe that marijuana should be legalized up to a certain weight, maybe several grams or something. It should only be sold during daylight hours, those who purchase it must be at least 21 with a valid ID, and there should be strict laws against reselling it or giving it to minors. But stop this War on Drugs which is only a War on the Constitution. BTW I agree with you on abortion.
Amsterdam is half Muslim. The Amsterdam elementary school kids are 80% Muslim. Amsterdam has a Jewish liberal apologist for the Muslims as Mayor.
So, the reason pot, red lights and the famous Dutch tolerance is receding is not why you think. It is the population that is changing.
If you go, and I suggest you do, because in fifteen years it won’t be safe, do not walk( yes they are that close ) far outside the usually Amsterdam tourist center. You will be in Islam land.
Thanks. I appreciate your gesture.
There’s a difference between killing someone (abortion) and looking at pictures of people having sex (pornography). There’s also a difference between killing someone (abortion) and consuming a drug never proven to cause harm (pot).
What are you talking about? Abortion isn't about killing someone. It's a non-viable mass of tissue. Abortion is a states right. Each state should be able to decide what limit, or NO limit on when to perform abortions. Besides why do you want to take away the LIBERTY, the RIGHTS of those poor pregnant women?
Pornography? Gosh you're too narrow minded. We should be able to do MORE than look at pictures. Live sex acts should be on stages at elementary schools. It's normal. It's natural. The constitution doesn't say we can't do it.
Come on man. If you're going to take one part of the argument go the distance!
LOL. Ron Paul supporters were getting zotted left and right on this board last year.
I would hope that those who actually study the post WWI alcohol prohibition, and who actually study the current prohibition on other drugs would realise that such prohibition
a) Has no effect on the real-world availability of those substances
b) Renders "outlaw" the huge drug economy, resulting in violent dispute-resolution
c) Delivers huge profit to some of the worst elements of society
and
d) Requires a huge, intrusive police-state in order to even attempt enforcement.
If that's what you want, keep up the War on Drugs ... and heck, ban alcohol and tobacco while you're at it. That should be fun.
Sure. But no doctor is going to prescribe a fifth of Jim Beam to overcome cancer pain. And nobody thinks moonshine cures cancer. And nobody thinks smoking crack is healthy.
I don’t believe in government run schools, so that’s my out on the porn/strip/school issue.
Government in charge of thinking? What were we thinking?...er...somethng like that.
Oh man, this is getting good.
I just didn’t see any excitement in it, and believe me I was gung ho for the guy but even I noticed that he wasn’t going at it as hard core as he should and then he just gave up. You are right though the R’s didn’t want to hear it, they wanted a moderate who was supposed to peel off blue dog democrats like any really exist anymore.
” Free Republic is overrun with Liberaltarians
And Jim Robinson and the moderators will not take a stand. “
uhh, this is Jim’s board. Therefore, he is taking a stand, it’s just not the one you’d like.
btw, Liberaltarian?!? Is that the best you guys got left?
Nobody thinks eating junk food every day is good for you either. Only the nanny state liberals think the federal government should stop you from doing it.
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