House Divided: GOP's Leadership Crisis Sharper than Steele- ALAN KEYES

America's Independent Party ^ | Friday, March 6, 2009 | Alan Keyes

[familyop]

After a second thought, here's a nice addition to your thread. See mentions of Alan Keyes' comment below.

"Also running for president, Alan Keyes suggests caning, recommending 'a trip to Singapore to learn how to administer a civil beating'" (George Gilder, "End Welfare Reform as We Know It," American Spectator, June, 1995).

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Stephen Baskerville on the Child Support System: 'From Welfare State to Police State'

December 15th, 2007 by Glenn Sacks, MA for Fathers & Families

"Child support became politicized by the early 1990s, when parents who allegedly fail to pay—'deadbeat dads'—became the subjects of a national demonology, and child support went from being a minor matter affecting a few people on the margins of society to a sacred political cow in the national vocabulary.

"'On the left and on the right, the new phrase to conjure with is ‘child support,' writes Bryce Christensen, who notes that politicians see it as 'the best rhetoric in the world': 'a rhetoric unifying political figures' from both parties.

"Although Ronald Reagan seems to have coined the term deadbeat dads, it was Bill Clinton who took it on the campaign trail. 'We will find you!' he famously intoned at the 1992 Democratic National Convention. 'We will make you pay!'

During the debate leading up to welfare reform, George Gilder warned of the bipartisan bandwagon being marshaled to punish private citizens who had been pronounced guilty by general acclaim:

"'The president wants to take away their driver’s licenses and occupational accreditations. Texas Governor George W. Bush wants to lift their hunting licenses as well. Moving to create a generation of American boat people, Senator Bill Bradley is leading a group of senators seeking to seize their passports. Congressman Henry Hyde wants to expand the powers of the IRS to confiscate their assets. Running for president, Lamar Alexander wants to give them 'jail time,' presumably so they won’t vote.

"Also running for president, Alan Keyes suggests caning, recommending 'a trip to Singapore to learn how to administer a civil beating.' Governor William Weld in Massachusetts wants to subpoena their DNA, put liens on their houses, and hound them through the bureaucracies of 50 states.'"--Stephen Baskerville, PhD

Stephen Baskerville's new article on the child support system is aptly titled--"From Welfare State to Police State" (The Independent Review, Volume 12 Number 3, Winter 2008.) Baskerville explains:

"Welfare reform in the United States has shifted the role of welfare agencies from distributing money to collecting it—not from taxpayers but from divorced fathers. Despite the stereotype of the “deadbeat dad” as a wealthy playboy squiring around his new trophy wife in a bright red Porsche, federal officials have acknowledged that most unpaid child support is uncollectible because it is owed by fathers who are as poor as or poorer than the mothers and children."

The full, 22 page article can be seen here. Baskerville also deals with this subject in his book Taken Into Custody.

The child support enforcement system has enormous powers, and is rife with abuses. To learn more, click here or see my recent co-authored columns below:

Passport Rules Unfair to Child Support Debtors (San Antonio Express-News, 9/8/07)

Child Support Enforcement System Victimizes Military Personnel, Innocent Citizens (World Net Daily, 6/27/07)

Most Illinois 'Deadbeats' Aren't 'Reprehensible' -- They're Broke (Chicago Daily Southtown, 6/20/07)

Copyright © 2009. Sacks Media Group, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

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[I am not an attorney. If you need legal advice, seek a properly licensed attorney. This is a discussion of matters of public policy. Thanks to Glenn Sacks, Dr. Stephen Baskerville and to all good fathers' and family rights advocates and activists for their good work over the years.]

[sneakers]

keyes bump!

[LowCountryJoe]

So, basically Keyes is using a very broad brush to paint economic conservatives as unprincipled; even goes so far as to state that economic conservative like it when government interferes in the marketplace because it represents an opportunity to profit from the largess. Just who are these unprincipled economic conservatives — slash — materialists? All of the economic conservatives that I know loath government intervention. Keyes is just adding to our division. That’s okay...we’ll just wait around for the major realignment where SoCons like Keyes can join the Left once the Left becomes pro life/pro family...he’ll find all the principles he can want and stand with his newest natuarl allies.

[paulycy]

Am I the only one who thinks Keyes is a bit loopy?

[Mad Dawgg]

"I love Rush Limbaugh, but the conservative radio shows rarely touch social issues anymore."

Rush usually mentions ProLife stories every week, what other social issues you looking for? (Not a challenge just interested in what social issues you think need more air time.)

[John Leland 1789]

I want to say “Thank you” to Free Republic for allowing the posting of material from America's Independent Party.

I believe that there are Republicans who hope to suppress Constitutional conservative third party advances just as much as there are RINOs who would suppress true conservatism if given a chance, and Democrats who want to suppress the Blue Dogs.

As has been said many times, the Republican Party at present, save a very few of them within, is a Democrat Party Lite.

The downward spiral just continues and continues and continues, the two major parties just chasing each other down the vortex into out Marxist-socialism.

The only way for conservative third parties to advance in a meaningful way at this point is for three of them to get together and run candidates together. I don't know that the compromises necessary among them to do that will not actually be grabbing the tail of the two major parties and following them down the same sewer drain. All three of them of which I am thinking may be too afraid of that very thing to give it a shot.

I know one thing for sure. We've got to turn the monster back by 2010 and 2012, or it will be irreversible by 2014. It won't be accomplished with the likes of the majority of Republicans currently in Congress.

Dr. Keys is correct about materialistic conservatism. Much more than economics must be pursued by conservatives, without stifling economic conservatism.

[quesney]

Absolutely freakin’ brilliant!

What Keyes describes so well is basically the final scene Animal Farm.

[roamer_1]

this reply to you is in reference to our discussion from the other thread:
FR: "AIG "Was Going to Bring Down Europe": Lawmaker (Kanjorski) #34".
I thought it better to put my reply here:

No offense meant, BUT:

Your evidence is not a direct quote from Keyes himself, but a statement by a third party in an article by a second party, who is not even quoting Keyes.

Having spent a bit of time searching the web, I found only links leading back to that same statement- And knowing the MSM's proclivity to beat Dr. Keyes with every thing he ever says, not to mention the Democrats and the NeoCons unseemly desires likewise, I find it very nigh onto impossible that such a quote would not be readily available from multiple sources.

This is not a fair report upon which to base such an accusation.

Having been caught up by a similar scurrilous and libelous charge, namely that Dr. Keyes supported reparations for black Americans, and having helped to spread that awful gossip against him, much to my shame, I am doubly cautious against unfounded claims.

I know you to be of good Conservative stock, and fair minded- So I would ask you (gently) to find better proof of your claim against Dr. Keyes.

I also can vouch for EternalVigilance- There is no greater authority on Dr. Keyes on FR (or likely in the world). And he is implicitly honest about Dr. Keyes statements- If he says he talked to the archivist, that is precisely what he did.

And that archiving is also brutally honest. I don't know of any other public figure who so meticulously keeps his records as public as Dr. Keyes does. Nearly every moment of his career can be linked to officially.

That isn't to say that Keyes didn't say something about caning, or even that he did so as you accuse. But if that is so, there should be a quote directly attributable to him in it's context- That is the sort of thing that counts as evidence on FR.

[roamer_1]

No one doubts the pro-life convictions in the GOP, its just that insiders want to water down fiscal conservatism and federalism.

I certainly doubt their Pro-Life convictions.

[roamer_1]

So, basically Keyes is using a very broad brush to paint economic conservatives as unprincipled; even goes so far as to state that economic conservative like it when government interferes in the marketplace because it represents an opportunity to profit from the largess. Just who are these unprincipled economic conservatives — slash — materialists? All of the economic conservatives that I know loath government intervention.

Very few of the economic "conservatives" today are governed by the conscience of old skool Conservatism. Most have adopted the "macro economic" model where the consumer is king. How many here are willing to defend the Bush administration's economic policies?

Business ethics have indeed been thrown to the wind, and Keyes has it exactly right.

Keyes is just adding to our division. That’s okay...we’ll just wait around for the major realignment where SoCons like Keyes can join the Left once the Left becomes pro life/pro family...he’ll find all the principles he can want and stand with his newest natuarl allies.

That is so preposterous as to be unworthy of comment.

[EternalVigilance]

Just who are these unprincipled economic conservatives — slash — materialists?

They're the folks who have almost ALL the power in the GOP.

Keyes is never going to stand with the Left on anything. That's a figment of your fertile imagination.

[EternalVigilance]

He’s not a Republican.

[EternalVigilance]

Are you wanting to pick a fight with family/fathers' rights attorneys and paralegals?

Why would I do that? Dr. Keyes and his allies have always been staunch advocates for fathers' rights.

He's been one of the few political leaders to actually stand up for them in the public arena.

[gtsamson]

Hardly. I would say most Republicans and conservatives see him as loopy. Everyone else has no idea who he is.

[Nextrush]

I’ll give you that but in the case of Steele he appears to me to be a “stealth” pro-lifer. He once studied for the priesthood and I believe his “moral convictions” are there.

Steele soft-pedaled it to get elected in Maryland.

National Right To Life seems to exert a lot of influence on the GOP and I think they are adopting this “stealthy” stance to win elections by softening pro-life positions to achieve victories on incremental matters like partial-birth abortion or parental consent for abortions etc.

[roamer_1]

[...] in the case of Steele he appears to me to be a “stealth” pro-lifer.>

National Right To Life [...] adopting this “stealthy” stance to win elections by softening pro-life positions to achieve victories on incremental matters like partial-birth abortion or parental consent for abortions etc.

In both cases you seem to imagine nobility where there is likely nothing but expedience.