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Steele Slips Again, But America Should not Fall for it - ALAN KEYES challenges Steele to debate!
America's Independent Party ^ | Friday, March 13, 2009 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 03/13/2009 1:32:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: rwfromkansas

Return it to the states by reversing Roe v. Wade, which overrode all the state laws, OK.

But to say that people have a right to an abortion is another matter entirely. And that’s what he just said.

He is a LOSER.


41 posted on 03/13/2009 1:59:43 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: chuckles

He was the guest speaker at my brother’s high school graduation. I like listening to him but his oration doesn’t fit the modern sound-bite mentality of most Americans. Many people have such a short attention span they can’t follow an argument from premise to conclusion.

It’s probably why TV programs have gotten shorter as they cram more commercials into a programming hour. They even did away with many TV themes and they run promos during the closing credits. People have to be constantly entertained or they tune out. See the movie Idiocracy for an example of this.


42 posted on 03/13/2009 2:00:02 PM PDT by Crolis (Kill your television!)
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To: Teacher317; All

A little factoid.. Before Roe, abortion was legal is most states..


43 posted on 03/13/2009 2:00:10 PM PDT by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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To: Norman Bates

Because he (Alan Keyes) makes sense and is our best advocate for our Constitutional Rights and liberties. That’s why people listen to him.

His Illinois race is really an indictment of the stupidity of most of the voters in that state.


44 posted on 03/13/2009 2:00:16 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Norman Bates

I don’t give a damn what Keyes says here. I care about what Steel says, in the transcript that Keyes produces.


45 posted on 03/13/2009 2:00:35 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TheKidster
Steele: “The states should make that choice. That's what the choice is. The individual choice rests in the states. Let them decide.”


You are right, according to our Constitution, it should be a state decision. But if you say that like Fred Thompson did, many aren't going to like it. This should have been Steeles first and only statement.
46 posted on 03/13/2009 2:01:02 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Teacher317

Abortion is not a right, nor could it ever be.

The Tenth Amendment in no way supports a “states’ rights trumps unalienable rights” argument. This isn’t possible, since the stated purpose of the Constitution is “to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves AND OUR POSTERITY,” and because the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments protect all innocent persons from being killed. EVERYWHERE in America.

I don’t think you’re following the debate here.


47 posted on 03/13/2009 2:02:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: CounterCounterCulture; All

You mean the same Keyes who like throw stones at other politicians family problems while had some himself??? The same Keyes who called for Reparations??


48 posted on 03/13/2009 2:02:20 PM PDT by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Easy muffin, I told you that I think abortion is murder. There are at least a couple of issues here. The legal one should be fixed immediately, regardless of the gravity of the larger issue.

As for the larger issue - some states will allow it, and some won’t. For a change, you’ll be able to live in a state that doesn’t condone infanticide. I’d take that much at this point.

It doesn’t mean I’d stop there. My daughter is adopted. You ought not call people ignorant when you don’t know who they are. It’s your attitude that keeps more reasonable people separated on this particular issue.

Even most liberals believe its murder. Most of them I know admit to that position. Some righteous asshole calling them ignorant, however, is liable to stiffen their resolve just to piss you off.

Let the principle and logic of your position carry the message instead. It’s pretty powerful.


49 posted on 03/13/2009 2:02:49 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: PeterPrinciple
You are right, according to our Constitution, it should be a state decision.

Are you going to apply the same illogic to the Right to Keep and Bear Arms? Free speech? Due process? Trial by jury? SLAVERY? The right to peaceably assemble?

50 posted on 03/13/2009 2:03:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: Cicero

Look, you’ve got little argument from me. I am one of Steele’s biggest supporters but he made a gaffe. To be fair, he also corrected it.


51 posted on 03/13/2009 2:04:01 PM PDT by Norman Bates
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To: RinaseaofDs

Unalienable rights are unalienable everywhere in America. If you don’t think so, whether you will admit it or not, you’re advocating the destruction of our Union and our free republic. It is those principles that are our nation’s entire basis for liberty, and what keeps this country from becoming Yugoslavia.


52 posted on 03/13/2009 2:06:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Keyes may make sense but he is not one of our best advocates. Listening to the man is like listening to crashing pots and pans.

He is responsible for the race he ran in Illinois.


53 posted on 03/13/2009 2:07:19 PM PDT by Norman Bates
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To: icwhatudo

Race is not the issue here. Alan Keyes is a brilliant man. He’s passionate about his beliefs, which makes him that much more appealing, to me and many others, as a politician. I know he’s accused of being arrogant, but it’s sometimes hard to say if it’s his intense passions that are being confused with pride. Regardless, he’s right. And many people don’t want to hear what he has to say.


54 posted on 03/13/2009 2:07:57 PM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (libera nos a malo)
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To: EternalVigilance
Are you going to apply the same illogic to the Right to Keep and Bear Arms? Free speech? Due process? Trial by jury? SLAVERY? The right to peaceably assemble?

And from a practical standpoint, how are those arguments going with a centralized government in DC?
55 posted on 03/13/2009 2:08:54 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I am not in favor of anyone's having an abortion. But too often, people on the right refuse to consider that an incremental approach may be a more do-able option than all-or-nothing. The immediate benefit of throwing the decision back to the states is to remove the long arm of the Federal judiciary from the issue and make the states handle it locally. This would be progress politically, even though some wrong-headed people would still opt for abortion, and some conservative purists would continue to shoot their natural allies over a less-than-perfect step towards their goal.

Moving the decision back to the states where it belongs, consitutionally, would allow the local action groups to fight locally for incremental limitations, such as allowing abortion but insisting on parental notification, etc. Local citizens could travel more easily to the state capital to get involved, local churches and retired grandparents with the time but not the means to travel to DC could get involved, and various other benefits.

56 posted on 03/13/2009 2:10:43 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Your question makes no sense. The state of the national government is what it is because it is peopled overwhelmingly by folks like Steele; those who have no firm moral basis for their own thinking, much less any action that might secure liberty or truly serve the people.


57 posted on 03/13/2009 2:12:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: Albion Wilde

The problem with your arguments is that the “incrementalists” are personified by people like Steele. They destroy any basis for even arguing against abortion, much less overturning Roe vs. Wade. Wake up.


58 posted on 03/13/2009 2:14:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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To: EternalVigilance

Your question makes no sense. The state of the national government is what it is because it is peopled overwhelmingly by folks like Steele; those who have no firm moral basis for their own thinking, much less any action that might secure liberty or truly serve the people.


Read slowly and move your lips if you have to............


59 posted on 03/13/2009 2:14:41 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

No. I understood what you said perfectly. It’s just that it was nonsensical. Illogical. Not well thought out. Without basis. You get the drift.


60 posted on 03/13/2009 2:16:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Pro-choice for states is pro-choice. This destroys America...it's all Pluribus and no more Unum)
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