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I'll make one correction: His paternal grandmother said so. Other than that I stand by what I said in # 223. In fact, I heard an audiotape of the paternal grandmother translated into English. And I heard the Kenyan Ambassador speaking in English on a Detroit FM radio station, interviewed the day after the election. You can find the piece by IsraPundit and the Berg papers on the 'Net.

Except that neither the grandmother or the ambassador ever said "Obama was born in Kenya." Both have denied even implying that he was born in Kenya.

The computer-generated COLB has been proven to be a fraud by FReeper Polarik and others. Polarik, a PhD professional in computer science, did a lengthy paper analyzing the COLB which was posted on the 'Net. In fact, one of Obama's supporters admitted that he perpetrated that very fraud.

And others have looked at it and pronounced it genuine. One thing that both sides have in common is that neither has ever seen an actual copy of the document, only electronic copies. And it's pretty near impossible to say for certain that something is a fraud unless you actually have a chance to see it for real. Same for pronouncing it genuine.

Assuming (arguendo) that the birth announcements in the Hawaiian papers are real, they do not state the place of birth.

In all the announcements they state address. Place of birth is a given.

As we have gone over many times here, it was possible, under the applicable HI statutes at the time, to register a foreign birth with the HI Health Dept., from which the birth announcement was supposedly derived.

What has been noted many times is that the legislation which allowed the registration of foreign birth wasn't passed until 1982, 22 years after Obama's birth.

The statements from Hawaii officials that the birth certificate exists do not specify the place of birth. As already indicated, it was possible to register a foreign birth with the HI Health Dept. in 1961, which could have generated that Hawaii birth certificate.

They state they have the original copy on file. And registering foreign births wasn't legal until 1982.

Total lack of evidence he was born in Kenya? There's way more substantial evidence suggesting he was born in Kenya than evidence demonstrating he was born in Hawaii.

Complete nonsense.

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And it's pretty near impossible to say for certain that something is a fraud unless you actually have a chance to see it for real.

Yeah. Sort of like the Dan Rather National Guard Memo.

The notion that you cannot tell that some things are fraudulent from a copy is absurd. Have you seen some of those photos on the front page of the NY Times, usually depicting some supposed Israeli outrage? Some copies are themselves the fraud, attempting to pass as an original. What cannot be done is to authenticate from a copy, especially in the era or Photoshop.

PS to justiceseeker93: This guy thinks Thomas Jefferson was a naturalized citizen of the United States.

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