[livius]

LOL! Solar panels are hideous, and even more hideous are those gawdawful windmills. Aside from chopping up birds, they march over every hill in California, destroy the view, and make a roaring noise that can be heard for miles. But I guess in the view of the greenies, anything is better than petroleum or nuclear...

[brushcop]

Time for the Monkey Wrench Gang to resurface only this time, they will be on OUR side not the greenies! LOL! (LOLOLOLs fully activated on Saturdays, a FReeper had a great essay on LOLers)

[AntiKev]

Solar panels are hideous, and even more hideous are those gawdawful windmills. Aside from chopping up birds, they march over every hill in California, destroy the view, and make a roaring noise that can be heard for miles.

Really? Would you like to throw some more straw men up there? I've NEVER heard of the second complaint. There are legitimate reasons that we shouldn't be adopting wind power, but these two arguments aren't anywhere near legitimate.

I agree that we should be building nuclear plants. But there are issues with those. Nuclear plants are not responsive enough to deal with fluctuating demand. It takes timeframes on the order of weeks to change the output of a nuclear plant. Wind, combined with energy storage technologies can be responsive to this demand. I'm an engineer. I deal with making the peg and the hole fit together. Putting up windmills for the sake of putting up windmills is a square peg, round hole thing. But putting up windmills with a defined storage strategy that makes them fill a niche in the power generation industry is good engineering and makes use of the resources available to us.

Arguments like yours are a detriment to those of us trying to propose "common sense" solutions.

[OneWingedShark]

Nuke-power IS economical AND environmentally friendly though...

[ErnBatavia]

and make a roaring noise that can be heard for miles

I have no idea where you got that notion. When we travel west out of the Palm Springs area, we pass right thru the massive windmill "farm" - and noise is no factor whatsoever.

[calex59]

You miss the point. DiFi is saying even solar is unacceptable. If we can't build solar and wind in the desert where then? The aim of the greenies is no energy what so ever. They never thought that solar and wind would get to the point of being implemented(not that it would solve anything)and now that it looks like huge solar and wind projects are about to take off, they are now saying that wind and solar are not environmentally acceptable. This is what DiFi's statement is about. The whole idea is to turn us into a third world hell hole and people had better wake up soon or we will all be living in the dark, with no heat, no cooling and no light. Not only that we cannot legally use wood or coal to cook with and probably very soon, not even natural gas. It is all about making us so weak from hunger and other attacks on our systems that we can't resist there take over.

Don't believe it? Wait and see.