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No: California does not need any more stoners
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 3/26/09 | Jim Gogek

Posted on 03/26/2009 10:13:28 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: MikeWUSAF
The fact is that most drug users are not high-achievers and quite often they are on some kind of public assistance. Walking around stoned all day simply isn’t going to propel anyone through life unless they are a member of the Grateful Dead or Phish.

The problem is that the law doesn't differentiate between those who use occasionally and those who abuse (and leaves aside the whole question of whether drug abuse by itself is a public health issue or a law enforcement issue).

The laws regarding alcohol do make such a differentiation. If you are drunk in public (or even just possessing alcohol in public), most locales can arrest you. If you drive while impaired, if you furnish it to minors, both things that are arrestable.

But the notion that teh state should be passing legislation, or not, based on making us all the best we can be is creepy at its core, especially considering who's in power currently.

21 posted on 03/26/2009 10:35:51 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Wow, thats some old dylan, right?


22 posted on 03/26/2009 10:36:12 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: NormsRevenge

I don’t want to have to deal or try to converse with someone that is somewhere off in space.


23 posted on 03/26/2009 10:37:30 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: IDFbunny
Should we go back to alcohol prohibition?

Might not be a bad idea.


24 posted on 03/26/2009 10:39:34 AM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: NormsRevenge
But, most alcohol users don't get intoxicated.

I am not going to comment on the merits of the argument, but the statement above seems dubious at best.

25 posted on 03/26/2009 10:39:55 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Just curious, would you be okay with legalizing other drugs?


26 posted on 03/26/2009 10:40:09 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Give the issue back to the doctors, where it belongs.


27 posted on 03/26/2009 10:42:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Look at all the statists on freerepublic.


28 posted on 03/26/2009 10:42:13 AM PDT by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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To: Cicero

The UT is actually a pretty good paper.


29 posted on 03/26/2009 10:44:02 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Those “youthful” victims don’t look so youthful!


30 posted on 03/26/2009 10:44:45 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Martin Tell

Ah, were this the worst evil on American streets. (Where are the bobbies in this picture dragging the publick sousers to the gaol?)


31 posted on 03/26/2009 10:44:51 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Marijuana intoxication means cognitive impairment, grandiosity, short-term memory loss, difficulty in carrying out complex mental processes and impaired judgment. It severely hurts your ability to perform at school and work. It saps initiative and drive. It increases confusion."

Sounds like any democrat to me. What's the diff?

32 posted on 03/26/2009 10:45:42 AM PDT by telebob
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To: NormsRevenge

They are currently using the drug war to revoke the Second Amendment.


33 posted on 03/26/2009 10:46:17 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m married to one and her opinion along with her colleagues is that given the availability of a plethora of other pharmaceutical drugs; marijuana isn’t necessary.


34 posted on 03/26/2009 10:50:31 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: ConservativeMind

Uh.. what’s wrong with the laws on the books for DUI? It’s already illegal to drive under the influence of alcohol, marijuana, perscription drugs, etc.


35 posted on 03/26/2009 10:51:22 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: MikeWUSAF
Just curious, would you be okay with legalizing other drugs?

Honestly, I am quite ambivalent about that.

Philosophically, I think, for the Federal Government at least, the prohibition of drugs is an inadvisable expansion of government power. The true efficacy of the WOD and the negative influences it has had on the practice of law enforcement are serious questions that should be addressed.

That being said, it would be disingenuous not to acknowledge that harder drugs do present greater possibility for abuse and that they DO contribute to great human misery through their abuse.

I'm not sure the numbers of people who do cocaine, meth, heroin, etc will change by more than a few percentage points if they were legalized, but I don't know that I would want to make that bet.

What I do believe pretty strongly is that marijuana, while most certainly not harmless, is relatively benign as far as intoxicants go. In an era of shrinking resources, I would be happier if government focused it resources on the drugs that are people are misusing to far more deleterious effect.

I would also like to see most of the silly hyperbole removed from this debate.

36 posted on 03/26/2009 10:53:14 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
I would also like to see most of the silly hyperbole removed from this debate.

Can't have that.

37 posted on 03/26/2009 10:54:27 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: NormsRevenge
You can't tax a legal product that is as easy to grow as a tomato plant.

The Liberal-terrorists need to give up on the lie that it will generate billions in taxes. It wont.

38 posted on 03/26/2009 10:54:42 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Excellent reply and well thought-out.

Not saying that I agree with everything but it is nice to have an intelligent conversation with a fellow Freeper.

BTW - I love the picture of the shooting Jesus! :)

Cheers,

Mike


39 posted on 03/26/2009 10:56:52 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: IDFbunny

Prohibition was more successful than we like to think. It did cut the level of drunkedness and —mtw—really reduced drug use. THAT didn’t come back until the ‘50s because of the stigma. Paradoxically drinking madea comeback because the gansterism made is respectable again among the middle-classes who had caused prohibition in the firstplace. Let is not forget that prohibition was a PROGRESSIVE reform.


40 posted on 03/26/2009 10:58:14 AM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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