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No: California does not need any more stoners
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 3/26/09 | Jim Gogek

Posted on 03/26/2009 10:13:28 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Trailerpark Badass

Why wasn’t marijuana even considered banworthy prior to the 20th century. For that matter, prior to the end of alcohol prohibition.


41 posted on 03/26/2009 10:58:57 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Beagle8U
You can't tax a legal product that is as easy to grow as a tomato plant.

You can't ban it, either, apparently.
42 posted on 03/26/2009 10:59:22 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Trailerpark Badass; All

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43 posted on 03/26/2009 11:00:05 AM PDT by Charlespg
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To: NormsRevenge

I would rather put up with some stoners on the streets, rather than have our drug demand funding the transformation of Mexico into a narco-state.

As other people have pointed out, even with drugs being legal, you can penalize certain behaviors, such as drugging and driving, with the severity of the penalties increasing with the harder or more exotic drugs (heroin, LSD, etc.).

As for druggies being on public assistance, that’s a good argument for ENDING public assistance. They can keep their minds clear and work like the rest of us, or they can get stoned and sit in the gutter on THEIR dime, not OURS.


44 posted on 03/26/2009 11:02:10 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Since Hogarth's print "Gin Lane" and the companion "Beer Street" date from the 18th Century, there were no Bobbies or Peelers (both terms deriving from Robert Peel's efforts to put police on London's streets in the 1830s) around.

Hogarth's prints (actually political cartoons) are relevant to this discussion. Hogarth contrasted the virtues of a traditional "drug" (beer) with a new, dangerous, and foreign one (gin).

The British government proposed to ameliorate the pernicious effects of cheap gin on the lower classes (and incidentally raise some cash) by taxing the stuff.

Hogarth approved of the proposal.

45 posted on 03/26/2009 11:03:56 AM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: mysterio
You can ban it and drive up the price. You can't keep it off the market for those with the money and those that don't mind being fired/arrested for using it.
46 posted on 03/26/2009 11:03:56 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: RobbyS

It also gave Bonnie and Clyde another street-battle thing to get involved in (though bank robbing was their main affair). Amazing how little bathtub beer was served in speakeasies and blind tigers. It was whiskey, and the battles over it were bloody.


47 posted on 03/26/2009 11:04:01 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Smogger

It’s illegal, but not considered a pre-meditated crime.

Besides, if we are to welcome more self-made brain-dead people on our roads, I want to have a solid torture penalty added, too.

I have no problems with people doing any drug. I have problems when people who do drugs hurt others “while under the influence.” I believe “under the influence” crimes should be considered pre-planned.


48 posted on 03/26/2009 11:05:14 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Cancel liberal newspaper, magazine & cable TV subscriptions (Free TV-dtv.gov). Stop funding the MSM.)
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BTW: If you don’t live in California you may not realize that marijuana is already “decriminalized” in California. Posession of less than one ounce (28.4 grams) will result in a misdameanor ticket, the outcome of which will generally be a fine. You will not be arrested. Also remember that in California an attorney can handle misdameanor matters, and you need not appear as a defendant.

So basically, the situation, as it exists now, is that many police are not at all intersted in small amounts of marijuana. You will often hear tales of police simply confiscating the drugs, and/or directing the person caught to destroy them in front of the officers, since actually writing the misdameanor ticket will require additional paperwork.


49 posted on 03/26/2009 11:09:27 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Martin Tell

What’s the rectangular confetti like stuff in the picture (for example, falling off the top of one of the background buildings).


50 posted on 03/26/2009 11:10:48 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: ConservativeMind

I don’t disagree. I just think that traffic laws should be enforced uniformly in a way that makes sense. If we are going to punish people for being under the influence while driving because they could “potentially” cause an accident, why not punish bad drivers, who actually do cause and accident or injury, in the same or a more severe manner. Let’s face it bad drivers no that they are dangerous and shouldn’t be on the road. They understand that they lack the eye hand coordination, decision making, and other skills required to be a safe driver. A glance at their driving record will show that they have been involved in multiple accidents in the past. Isn’t their wrecklessness pre-meditated?


51 posted on 03/26/2009 11:14:43 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: NormsRevenge

Excellent article.

There’s a reason why they call it “dope.”


52 posted on 03/26/2009 11:17:41 AM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It looks like a building in the background is in the process of collapsing, and those are falling bricks.


53 posted on 03/26/2009 11:26:47 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Those are bricks, falling off a leaning building. All the buildings, with the exception of the pawnbroker's, are poorly built, in disrepair, and generally falling down. If you look closely, there is a suicide (hanging) in the building on the right. Everywhere is death and insanity - just the thing to pick you up on a sunny afternoon!

Google "Hogarth Beer Street" for the contrast. All is in order and happy; the only building in disrepair is the pawnbroker's. There's also some funny anti-French references (I suppose it's funny if you are an English history nerd and know Hogarth's symbolism).

National Lampoon once did a parody called "Coke Lane" and "Pot Street." You can probably guess what it looked like.

54 posted on 03/26/2009 11:30:39 AM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: ConservativeMind
I have problems when people who do drugs hurt others “while under the influence.”

Do yu extend that anger to those who drive while not paying attention, while over-tired from lack of sleep, while on OTC or prescription medication?

55 posted on 03/26/2009 11:36:07 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Do any of those crimes qualify for “under the influence?” I think all of those are extended to everyone, including those who may use drugs specifically MEANT to screw up your abilities.


56 posted on 03/26/2009 11:39:57 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Cancel liberal newspaper, magazine & cable TV subscriptions (Free TV-dtv.gov). Stop funding the MSM.)
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To: Smogger

I do agree that everyone that causes an accident caused an accident. However, inattentiveness is already extended to those who are also under the influence, it’s just that their inattentiveness is superseded by the drugs they took to specifically damage their abilities to function. So those who drive while being inattentive is already allowed for those who might drive purposefully impaired.

If you want to say that anyone who has an accident should be treated as though they were driving while purposefully impaired, then I’d say that is profoundly wrong. I think you would agree.


57 posted on 03/26/2009 11:44:05 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Cancel liberal newspaper, magazine & cable TV subscriptions (Free TV-dtv.gov). Stop funding the MSM.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Certainly most OTC, and perscriptions drugs apply since many of the specifically warn not to “operate heavy machinery” while using.


58 posted on 03/26/2009 11:44:18 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Why wasn’t marijuana even considered banworthy prior to the 20th century. For that matter, prior to the end of alcohol prohibition.

I'm sure you are aware that the legislative history of marijuana prohibition has precious little to do with public safety or helping people be all they can be. ;0)

In the same vein, the other drug problems we had in those years were due mostly to ignorance (and the many wounded Civil War and WWI vets). From what I have read, people weren't taking patent medicines to get high, they were taking them in good faith as medications to fix some malady. We now have a much better understanding of addiction and the effects of various substances on the body.

That's why I am pretty confident that legalizing even harder drugs like cocaine, heroin would not result in a dramatic increase in users.

59 posted on 03/26/2009 11:44:46 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What’s the rectangular confetti like stuff in the picture (for example, falling off the top of one of the background buildings).

I think it's a house collapsing.

60 posted on 03/26/2009 11:45:47 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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