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To: dhm914
i am just bring up the possibility that maybe less drastic action could have been taken

Uh, like tasers and beabags?

Multiple shots fire at a guy that does not have a weapon that can project much farther than his arm causes me to suspect something ain't right?

You do know that a knife is a "lethal weapon." The fact that you try to minimize its danger tells me you're talking out of your ass.

Use of force doctrine in any PD is that, when confronted with a threat that justifies use of lethal force, you use the amount of force required to end the threat.

When the knife-wielding lunatic escapes, while cops are trying to take out his moving legs, to, say, decapitate a 5 year-old girl, the problems with your tactics will be made apparent.

Police aren't mental health workers, nor are they daredevils or kamikazes. They are (hopefully) public servants tasked with maintaining public order and doing what they can to protect the public at large. They are not required to risk their own lives and safety to ensure the most peaceful possible outcome.

Whatever this person's problem was, the mistakes, as tragic as they are, were made long before his encounter with the police. Shooting to wound, especially the legs, is wrong tactically for many reasons.

36 posted on 03/30/2009 10:52:48 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
and shooting to kill is a better idea?

When your defense for the act of killing is that it's in Police training, thats not right. If police only use their training rules, not common sense, they do not deserve to be on the force. If these guys decided to kill this man when there was another option, then they have broken there duty to uphold the Constitution, which protects life.

I also never stated that the knife is not a deadly weapon. I was pointing out that its effective range is very small compared to the gun. That being so, the police can shot from a distance much greater than the range of the knife, and hence could shot one at the time making a wounding hit. If that failed, while still out of effective range of the knife, they could then escalate to the kill him now mind set.

Keep in mind there are basically two living witnesses viewpoints that were reported on. #1 from the shooting police officers, and #2 from the civilian who claims the man was not an immediate danger. Posters on this site stated that that witness is not qualified to make that statement, something akin to only a police officer who is trained can make that determination, Ha, are not most people expected (via our Right to bear arms)to be able to judge behavior of people? Cant civilians have “street smarts”? The Founding Fathers believed so, and did not restrict your Rights for fear you have not gone thru police training in judging situations.

Please dont tell me you believe only the trained elites are capable of deciding life and death matters, and all other opinions must be discounted based on the fact that they dont have training in “police thought” authored by some liberal.
Remember Police drag away pro-life protesters, that are urging woman and girls to not kill their baby. Cops are sent to round us up when we try to save lives. If only we had thinking cops that held the words of the Constitution and Bill of Rights above there liberal political masters. Cops have protected baby killing abortionists clinics. Using the police to do such immoral things is starting to effect the police mentality across the ranks, it is perverted, and will get worse as more good cops retire, and more wacked out liberal are appointed as chiefs. Cops with morals are fired if they express it, they got to work with affirmative action gays, they got to do thing that are against morals, no wonder so many are becoming corrupt. How many Pro-life protesters do you have to arrest to get into hell?

When will the cops round you up? how long did it take for the Berlin Police force to start rounding up folks because of race? I will tell you how long, about as long as it took the Nazi party loyal police chief to sign the order. The cops at that point were armed, mindless, robots, only following orders. The moral good ones had been rooted out.

what if the cops all said we uphold the Founding fathers intent, we will get criminals, investigate crooked politicians, and arrest, we refuse to enforce anti 2nd Admemdment laws, refuse to protect abortionists, refuse to enforce punitive tax laws that are hurting the folks? what if cops used smarts instead of robot actions?

back on this, lets see what happens, was it two shots, or 20? was he shot while on the ground or standing? was he just standing, or running towards people when shot?

a person died today, murder or justified, lets not jump to conclusion and say the police are right, and the civilian witness is not credible based on his civilianess.

Never take anything from the government at face value, always investigate.

49 posted on 03/30/2009 11:34:25 AM PDT by dhm914
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