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The Flat Tax Is Not Flat and the FairTax Is Not Fair
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | April 3, 2009 | Laurence M. Vance

Posted on 04/04/2009 3:16:37 PM PDT by all the best

Our current income tax system, inaugurated in 1913 with the adoption of the 16th Amendment, began with a 1 percent tax on taxable income above $3,000 ($4,000 for married couples). A series of surcharges of up to 6 percent were applied to higher incomes, with the maximum rate being 7 percent on taxable income over $500,000. Less than 0.5 percent of the population ended up paying income tax.

From these humble beginnings, the income tax soon blossomed, thanks to World War I, into a tax with a minimum rate that doubled and a maximum rate that reached 77 percent on income of over $1 million. The rates did not fall significantly until 1925. In the middle of the Great Depression, the top rate rose to 79 percent. During World War II, the tax rate for those in the highest income bracket reached an astounding 94 percent. The Internal Revenue Code of 1954 resulted in 24 brackets with rates ranging from 20 to 91 percent. The top rate remained at 91 percent until 1964. Under the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 and the Tax Reform Act of 1986, the top marginal tax rates were lowered to 50 and 28 percent respectively. The Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 established the current tax brackets of 10, 15, 25, 28, 33, and 35 percent.

There is no question that the federal tax code is too long, too complex, too intrusive, too confusing, and too inequitable. The members of Congress responsible for the tax code would not even disagree. As a consequence, cries for tax reform can always be heard from every quarter — and especially around election time. There are even organizations dedicated solely to tax reform, such as Americans for Tax Reform, Reform AMT, Citizens for Tax Justice,

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: fairtax; flattax; taxes; taxreform
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1 posted on 04/04/2009 3:16:37 PM PDT by all the best
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2 posted on 04/04/2009 3:23:46 PM PDT by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: all the best
Off to the store to get more popcorn. Hope you are not planning anything special tonight. The unFairTax police will be arriving shortly led by Chief man50d.
3 posted on 04/04/2009 3:29:44 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: all the best

Ping to read later


4 posted on 04/04/2009 3:32:22 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Presbyterians often forget that John Knox had been a Sunday bowler.)
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To: all the best

Here’s my tax theory, one that I’ve not seen proposed elsewhere.

We start with the proposition that anything you tax you get less of.

Next, I believe all agree that we want less poverty.

Therefore, we should tax poverty. The less money you make, the higher the tax you should pay.

Jack


5 posted on 04/04/2009 3:39:14 PM PDT by JackOfVA
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To: all the best
Based on the behavior of Obama and Congress in the last few weeks, I have a new concern about the Fair Tax. Pretty much everything these people are doing is prohibited by The Constitution. If we were to get a constitutional amendment outlawing the income tax, it would simply be ignored; and we would end up with a federal consumption tax on top of all the existing taxes. They might pay lip service to the new amendment by renaming the "income tax" and then saying it's not what the amendment bans; but the effect would be the same. And if we had a Supreme Court with enough interest in constitutional limitations to enforce a prohibition against the income tax, wouldn't they already be meat-axing federal programs and agencies en masse.
6 posted on 04/04/2009 3:50:08 PM PDT by snarkpup
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To: all the best

We should let the government collect 15% of our gross adjusted cumulative incomes. A certain part (10%?) would be a flat tax on income, and the other part (5%) would be a national sales tax. The government could not spend any more than that, and it would be based on the previous year’s income.

Example: We add our incomes and it comes out to be $100. Government could only spend $15.

This is what “Push Back Until” is all about. Read the info at http://www.pushbackuntil.com and then come to D.C. in September and early next year. This is the only way Congress will realize that we are serious about them changing their pathetic overspending.


7 posted on 04/04/2009 3:50:22 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Off to the store to get more popcorn. Hope you are not planning anything special tonight. The unFairTax police will be arriving shortly led by Chief man50d.

You got that right. The circus is about to begin. Bring it on. Spread this FairTax crap on us again.

8 posted on 04/04/2009 3:51:04 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Logical me

So...what’s your solution to the current taxation model, if you see it as a problem?


9 posted on 04/04/2009 4:11:21 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: all the best

The income tax is based on the NUMBER of dollars you earn. The VALUE of those dollars is controlled by the Federal Reserve. The lower the value of your dollars, the more you have to earn to keep your standard of living. The more you earn, the more tax you pay. Your earnings are plundered by the Federal Reserve and the IRS.


10 posted on 04/04/2009 4:40:46 PM PDT by STYRO
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To: DennisR

I have an alternative proposal. Let us instead start from the following basis: the government is not entitled to any tax. None whatsover. Property may be voluntarily ceded to the government to be exploited for the benefit of operation of the government. Anyone who proposes a tax of any kind must first forever forfeit all property and interests of any kind to the government before their proposal may receive a hearing before a legislative body. All persons who support such a proposal in any way are assumed to be party to the forfeiture. Including the people who vote for it.

There. That’s a good bargaining position.


11 posted on 04/04/2009 5:34:55 PM PDT by no-s
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To: BGHater
Highest Marginal Individual Income Tax Rates 1913-2008

Leaves out a very important factor, various items of deductibility. A Major Point in Reagan's Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) of 1982, was the reduction and removal of itemized deductions in return for reduction in top marginal tax rates. Before this there were deductions for political contributions, all taxes and even interest on debts.

Consequently, we lose sight of the fact that there were people who could manipulate the tax regulations down to zero. Indeed that was the origin of the AMT in 1970 when a hundred or so taxpayers of considerable wealth outraged Congress by legitimately not paying any tax at all. Does this ring a bell (hint: bonuses?)

12 posted on 04/04/2009 5:48:24 PM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: all the best

As I have said all too many times, much to the chagrin and anger of the Fair Tax Police, NO tax reform will ever work until government spending is brought under control.

That is what must be accomplished first!


13 posted on 04/04/2009 5:57:52 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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To: all the best

How can anybody seriously have any actual tax reforms happen when leftists presently dominate politics, possibly for a very long time to forever?


14 posted on 04/04/2009 6:00:55 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: all the best
Here's a REAL flat tax. We all get taxed the same amount in absolute dollars, not the same percentage.

I'm sure this will become the law of the land.

15 posted on 04/04/2009 6:15:00 PM PDT by Doodle
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To: all the best

One of the root causes of our out of control spending and taxation is that a high percentage of people get a free ride.

And many get more than a free ride - they get money handed to them via the EIC program.

If every American had to pay something into the tax coffers (have “skin in the game” as Comrade Urkle put it) they wouldn’t be so supportive of federal government increasing taxes and spending.

Some form of a Flat Tax would represent a turn toward sanity and equity.


16 posted on 04/04/2009 7:07:33 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: all the best

So many misrepresentations of the fairtax in one article.


17 posted on 04/04/2009 7:24:31 PM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: all the best
Here is the money quote:
"The real issue is total spending by government, not tax reform."
Any system of taxation that take 40% of the national wealth/income is unfair; any that only takes 5% I could live with. Let us stop arguing about the form of taxation and start looking at the level of government spending.
18 posted on 04/04/2009 7:34:17 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

“Any system of taxation that take 40% of the national wealth/income is unfair; any that only takes 5% I could live with. Let us stop arguing about the form of taxation and start looking at the level of government spending.”

Got that right. For a long time “conservatives”/Republicans have limited themselves to talking about tax cuts and new clever taxing schemes while government growth and spending have skyrocketd. If government were at rational level, it wouldn’t much matter what form of tax we had.


19 posted on 04/04/2009 7:38:41 PM PDT by all the best
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To: all the best

btt


20 posted on 04/05/2009 8:35:52 AM PDT by Marie ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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