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To: ConservativeMind; rabscuttle385

Exactly WHERE in the Constitution do you find the authority granted to ANY level of government to “limit us”??? Please be specific. And whilst you’re at it, ponder this: It seems pretty clear to me, in reading the original documents that got this country started, the Founders did not intend to allow government any more power than what each individual was legitimately able to exercise. Recall that they talked often about government with the “CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED.” What this means is that you cannot consent to have someone do in your name and on your behalf ANYTHING that you, yourself, cannot legitimately and properly do. For example, you yourself cannot compel me, at the point of your gun, to contribute to a fund for your mother’s surgery. Thus, you equally cannot hire rabscuttle385 to do it on your behalf. (And if you tried, he’d rightly punch your lights out.) Nor can you have the GOVERNMENT do for you what you may not do yourself. THAT is what the Founders talked about when they discussed “Consent Of The Governed.” What you want is what the Founders were running away from: 50% plus one and anything goes. Too bad, so sad, that is NOT what the Constitution provides for.


101 posted on 04/06/2009 3:37:31 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: dcwusmc; ConservativeMind; rabscuttle385

Unless by “limit us” you mean that government proposes to punish those who commit crimes which have actual victims, such as robbery, rape, fraud, creating kiddie porn or beating up their wives and things like that. THAT is what government is essentially limited to, in a free, Constitutional Republic. Obviously we cannot PREVENT crimes against others, but we can make the penalty high enough to give pause to SOME and then exact penalties on those who do not pause ENOUGH. That is the best we can do without giving government TOTAL power and authority and that is anathema to me (and SHOULD BE to real CONSERVATIVES!). For those who use recreational substances, it’s normally going to be a self-correcting problem, as a real ABUSER will take himself out of the gene pool reasonably quickly once we delete the “safety net” that forces US to support him in his vices. If someone were, for example, to attempt a robbery in this mythical Free Constitutional Republic, his “victim” would punch his ticket with a .45 caliber hole punch. End of story.

If THAT’S what you mean, then I’m with you. If you yet mean that government should have the ability to punish private, NON-COERCIVE behaviors, then you’ve got a SERIOUS fight on your hands, because YOU are aligning yourself with the ENEMIES of the Republic. You are as bad, in YOUR direction, as ANY of the Obamites.


104 posted on 04/06/2009 4:59:19 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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