Who am I IN CHRIST? [Verses to pray in trying & other times)

World Harvest Center church handout (modified by Quix) | 6 APR 2009 | God; paraphrase unknown + Quix

[Quix]

I have gone to significant lengths to demonstrate that I do

NOT SUPPORT FLIPPANT ANYTHING WITH ALMIGHTY GOD.

. . . I DO NOT SUPPORT ANYTHING IMPUDENT BEFORE OR REGARDING OR WITH YHWH/ ALMIGHTY GOD. I would have thought that my English was quite clear on that point to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear.

I find your accusation off the wall; inaccurate; mystifyingly contrary and wholesale false.

Trying to squeeze my perspective into inaccurate contortions will not work, before ALMIGHTY GOD any more than it works to try and squeeze HIS WORD into inaccurate contortions.

I realize that it seems to be extremely difficult to hold two or more . . . SEEMINGLY contradictory . . . constructs in one’s consciousness for more than a few microseconds . . .

1. That one can be INTENSELY INTIMATE WITH YHWH AT THE SAME TIME ONE IS BEING
2. INTENSELY REVERENT, AWED, SUBMISSIVE,

The only conclusion I can come to about that with the available evidence from my 62 years is that . . .

Those of us with REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDER in our first years of life find it extremely difficult to impossible to tune in on and TRUST THE SCRIPTURES

and to tune in on and TRUST ALMIGHTY GOD

WHEN HE

speaks of INTIMACY WITH HIMSELF. It just does not compute.

Therefore, that leaves only the TERMINALLY AWED-TO-THE-MAX, FEARFUL, VIRTUALLY COMPULSIVELY CRINGING ATTITUDE AND PERSPECTIVE TOWARD ALMIGHTY GOD AND HIS LIGHTENING BOLTS.

That’s not the kind of relationship the Jesus I know died to RESTORE with THE FATHER/ DADDY/ PAPA/ ALMIGHTY GOD.

FATHER GOD GOES TO GREAT LENGTHS THROUGHOUT HIS SCRIPTURES documenting a wholesale DIFFERENT CHARACTER on HIS part regarding HIS relationship with THOSE WHO truly SEEK AND LOVE HIM . . .

FAR DIFFERENT from the pagans who live in terror of their gods, sacrifice children to them; cut themselves for their gods; etc. etc. etc.

YES, there ARE TIMES when the most fitting perspective is to SEE HIM HIGH AND LIFTED UP. AWESOME AS ON MT SINAI. EVEN FIERCELY & AWESOMELY ANGRY AS AT MT SINAI.

YET, THERE ARE FAR MORE SCRIPTURES DOCUMENTING ALMIGHTY GOD’S/ DADDY’S/ PAPA’S/ FATHER’S TENDER HEARTED COMPASSIONS, TENDER HEARTED LOVE; TENDER HEARTED HOLDING US IN THE PALM OF HIS HAND; WRITING US ON HIS HAND; BEING THE APPLE OF HIS EYE ETC. ETC. ETC.

For any perspective to ignore more than 70-95% of the Biblical picture and to claim that the other 05-30% is the TOTAL picture is nonsense . . . perhaps even close to blind or disingenuous.

I’ll continue to choose the perspective of THE WHOLE COUNSEL OF SCRIPTURE.

THE LOVE OF GOD in the whole of Scripture is THE MOST PROFOUND aspect of ALMIGHTY GOD’S CHARACTER and the most important aspect HE HAS TAKEN THE MOST PAINS TO DEMONSTRATE.

Ignoring that and pretending otherwise is unmitigated insult to Him, to His Word and to the nature of the relationship He desires with each of us. IT IS FAR FROM REVERENTIAL. If anything in this thread is blasphemous, that perspective comes closest when compared to the whole counsel of Scripture.

[Quix]

I’m curious . . .

Approximately how many minutes a week do you spend

literally flat on your face, prostrate on the floor, face to the floor praying to YHWH—in public and in private, combined?

[mikeus_maximus]

I'm advocating the whole counsel of the scripture, including the counsel of Isaiah and John and Paul in there approach toward God. They saw a critical difference between intimacy and irreverance, just as there's a difference between "Father" and daddy. Sorry to offend, but I do not want you or anyone to be caught up in modernist thinking toward Him. The term "daddy" results from a hippy era notion that we can bring God down to man's level and treat Him as a buddy. If that was not your intent, again, I apologize.

The point it, He calls us children, but until we understand who He is and how truly different He is from us ("holy" means separate), we can't truly appreciate verses like I Jn 3:1 (perhaps my favorite in the Bible). Our relationship toward God is reflected in our character, our works and our speech. Something to think about: http://www.embryhills.com/resources/audio-sermons/?sermon_id=546 .

May God bless your search for truth.

[Quix]

THANKS for your kind msg.

I’m quite seriously interested . . . feel free to reply by FREEPMAIL, if you prefer:

I’m curious . . .

Approximately how many minutes a week do you spend

literally flat on your face, prostrate on the floor, face to the floor praying to YHWH—in public and in private, combined?

BTW, I’m familiar with the meaning of “Holy.”

Of course I have no desire to bring God down to man’s level.

It’s impossible to do, anyway—beyond what Christ already did on that score.

I still think your perspective gives short-shrift to the major portion of Scriptures about the nature of the relationship GOD ALMIGHTY DESIRES, INTENDS AND WILL HAVE with each individual covered in the Blood of Jesus.

[mikeus_maximus]

I try to spend time everyday in prayer and usually do. I haven’t tried to put a number on it but it’s not enough. While I have been flat on my face at times, God is not looking for a prostrate pose—He wants a prostrate heart. It’s an interesting word study to see how many times “proud” and “pride” is condemned, in both the OT and NT, and how often a humble heart is exhalted by Him. See, for example., Ps. 51: 16-17. (you really should listen to the good sermon I linked— I think you’ll enjoy it.)

[Quix]

Certainly a prostrate heart is the key.

However, the posture can aid the heart getting there.

Congrats.

[Joya]

THE TRUMPET by Bill Burns — April 27, 2009:

If you could but see by way of vision into My purposes that have been established for the end of the age you would rejoice, and again I say you would rejoice. For all of your troubles, all of your heartache, all of your worry, all of your anxiety, all of your trials, would diminish and flow away in the power of the anointing that I shall place upon you.

These are indeed the finest days of Zion. These are the days which you, My people, shall have an abiding glory that shall not fade away. Indeed Zion must dwell in the glory that shall permeate the whole land. For it has been purposed from the beginning of time and it shall be revealed and brought into manifestation in this the end of the age. Remember that I have appointed you for such a time as this, and I have called you into My purposes for these days. You are a royal generation and a chosen priesthood, the mighty warriors of the end of the age—even in the likeness of David’s mighty men.

The men of renown that have gone on before you are waiting to see what you will do with this anointing for war that will bring the victory. This is the hour of the warrior, and the warrior’s purpose is to establish My dominion in the land. Begin by establishing My dominion as a warrior in your home, in your personal life, in your place of work, in your church, and the whole of your lives will begin to flow with an exceeding and abundant measure of power as you go step by step with hearts uplifted into the fullness of My Kingdom, says the Lord God Almighty.

SMALL STRAWS IN A SOFT WIND by Marsha Burns — April 27, 2009:

I am revealing to you the condition of your heart and opening your understanding to see the work I am doing in your innermost being. It is a delicate but solid work. I will repair the damage and give you a new beginning of days, says the Lord. You will step onto a new platform, a higher spiritual level, from which you will launch the next phase of life and ministry. You will be astounded at what I am about to do, for it will be an unprecedented work.

Psalms 61:2 From the end of the earth I will cry to You, when my heart is overwhelmed; lead me to the rock that is higher than I

[Quix]

AMEN! AMEN!

THANKS TONS.

[reaganaut]

Thank you for posting this.

[reaganaut]

You are correct. Abba is a familial term, a term of intimacy. It is correctly translated “daddy”.

I think in a desire to be submissive and reverent (which we should be) we tend to forget the intimacy we share with God.

For me it was difficult to start to think of the Almighty God as being my ‘daddy’, that Christ was not just my Savior, but my ‘best friend’ as well, very recent terms such as “reverent passion”, “divine romance”, “sacred love” remind us that the Church is not just the Body of Christ, but also his Bride. Earthly marriage is symbolic of the divine marriage of Christ and his Bride.

Before I became a Christian, I belonged to a religion that overemphasized reverence. They used formal KJV in prayers, etc. It was all about showing reverence. And in a lot of ways it WAS a show. There was no joy in the Lord. What I did not realize until later is that search/striving for reverent feelings DISTANCED me from God.

Now I am NOT condoning complete irreverence or disrespect to God. He is our God and we should in no way try to ‘bring him down to our level’. There needs to be a balance as well.

[Quix]

You are quite welcome.

thx

[Quix]

WONDERFULLY PUT. THANKS:

You are correct. Abba is a familial term, a term of intimacy. It is correctly translated “daddy”.

I think in a desire to be submissive and reverent (which we should be) we tend to forget the intimacy we share with God.

For me it was difficult to start to think of the Almighty God as being my ‘daddy’, that Christ was not just my Savior, but my ‘best friend’ as well, very recent terms such as “reverent passion”, “divine romance”, “sacred love” remind us that the Church is not just the Body of Christ, but also his Bride. Earthly marriage is symbolic of the divine marriage of Christ and his Bride.

Before I became a Christian, I belonged to a religion that overemphasized reverence. They used formal KJV in prayers, etc. It was all about showing reverence. And in a lot of ways it WAS a show. There was no joy in the Lord. What I did not realize until later is that search/striving for reverent feelings DISTANCED me from God.

Now I am NOT condoning complete irreverence or disrespect to God. He is our God and we should in no way try to ‘bring him down to our level’. There needs to be a balance as well.

[reaganaut]

I realize that it seems to be extremely difficult to hold two or more . . . SEEMINGLY contradictory . . . constructs in one’s consciousness for more than a few microseconds . . .

1. That one can be INTENSELY INTIMATE WITH YHWH AT THE SAME TIME ONE IS BEING
2. INTENSELY REVERENT, AWED, SUBMISSIVE,

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Very true. I am reminded of a 3 year old son. He can sit and watch his father work with awe and reverence, being submissive to his father’s instructions to “be good”.

He can also put up his arms and cry “hold me”.

What does a father who loves his son more than anything do? He picks up the boy and holds him.

[Quix]

INDEED! INDEED! INDEED!

[Polyxene]

Out of the depths I cry to you, O Lord!
Lord, hear my voice!
Let your ears be attentive
to the voice of my supplication!

Psalm 130

[Quix]

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

[reaganaut]

BTTT

[Quix]

THANKS THANKS

[Joya]

SMALL STRAWS IN A SOFT WIND by Marsha Burns — May 4, 2009:

When you do not feel up to the task remember who you are in Me. I will give you the grace to meet and overcome every challenge and gain the victory. Simply trust and obey.

Observe. Do you see that you have come up? Your spiritual atmosphere is quite different than it was eight months ago. Rejoice in the new life and new opportunities that challenge you to spiritual maturity. The temptation now will be to go back to an old place of easy, lazy comfort.

See beyond the mundane and ordinary routine of every day existence to see the exceptional work that I am performing. You are a catalyst in a rich and dynamic move of My Spirit. Look beyond the natural to realize your potential.

You have been in a period of transition, which is not over yet. It has been and will continue to be very unsettling for a while, but your best use of this time is to grow up spiritually, exercise your faith, and trust that I will bring you through. Then, your feeling of impotence will give way to My power and dominion. 1 Peter 5:10 But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.

Even when your life appears to be static, in reality you have been on a steep learning curve. Take a quick glance back to see yourself in this process of exponential spiritual growth.

So, the new plateau isn’t what you expected? Out of your comfort zone? This level of discomfort will be the impetus that will move you into defining moments that will stabilize you in your kingdom position and destiny. Do not despise the day of small beginnings.

I am bringing you to a place of stability and maturity by imparting wisdom that will direct your steps and establish your heart in My kingdom. You will go from strength to strength as you use the victory of past challenges as stepping stones for advancement.

You have entered a time of historic proportions and significance. What you do with the choices that present themselves to you will yield extraordinary fruit and consequences. Choose wisely.

[Quix]

THANKS THANKS