Posted on 04/07/2009 12:17:49 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
EVERYTHING? Including evolution?
Show us the Bible reference where God says he guides evolution, please (since you’re quoting scripture now).
You sure are annoyingly (dare I say perniciously) “disingenuous” for a Bible scholar on the order of an apostle.
Get a clue: Jesus was not speaking about the creation and he was not speaking a parable when He uttered the words, “in the days of Noah.”
You know endless atheistic evolution factoids, yet you don't know much about the Bible upon which you depend for your understanding of the Savior you claim, Jesus Christ.
Shame on you!
Get your priorities straight.
Your attitude and treatment of others will not bring anyone to Christ.
Are you?
I see Cedric is busy laying down pronouncements.
“Your attitude and treatment of others will not bring anyone to Christ.”
I am talking about all the people who read your post who do not post. You aren’t a very good example for them.
I will grant you that the longer someone is brainwashed in the state-sponsored Temple of Darwin cloning centers, the less likely they will come out the other side a creationist. By the same token, the longer a student spends in a creationist institution of higher learning, the greater that the student will come out the other side a creationist.
But you left out a key point, Allmendream. According to a study published in the Scientific American, 90% of the general population has a "distinct" belief in God. And yet, according to that same study, by the time science majors get their BS in science, that number falls to 40%. And if they make it all the way to the National Academy of Sciences, that number falls all the way down to 10%. How do you explain that, Allmendream?
By the same token, the science journal Nature conducted a study that pretty much says the same thing. Again, how do you explain this Allmendream?
I’ll take that as a, “No”.
So, what do you care, you hypocrite.
Perhaps it is because so many people have tried to use the Bible as a science book and when they find out they have been lied to they begin to wonder about everything else those people told them.
I don’t answer questions about my religious beliefs - so you have no factual basis for your conclusion or your insult.
Your non-answer was your answer.
Christians are also instructed to not lie and to not spread rumors. Guess you pick and chose which portions you are going to follow depending on the circumstances.
All of our knowledge of the physical world comes either directly or indirectly from sense perceptions which are inherently limited and faulty.
There is no deductive proof for anything we see or experience in this world. We can only argue inductively given all of the limited and faulty inputs we have collected to date. This is the old "black swan" problem: just because every swan a particular person might ever have seen has been white doesn't mean there might not be some black swan somewhere he has yet to see.
So science is not about getting at the truth. What science is about is developing useful theories that help us explain the past and predict the future. Useful theories tend to be ones that are as simple as possible and expressible as mathematical formulas or simple rules. This is not because the world is actually governed by mathematical formulas and simple rules, but because those are the most useful things for mere mortals to work with when explaining the past and predicting the future.
The theory of evolution is the best scientific theory because it is the most useful. It could be the case that the earth was created 6,000 years ago, or for that matter 6,000 milliseconds ago. Of what use would such a theory be about predicting the future or explaining the past? It would be of absolutely no scientific value whatsoever.
ID is only valuable in the negative sense: it causes evolutionists to sharpen their pencils on particular hard cases. ID is of no use in predicting the future or explaining the past except in identifying areas for future improvements on the theory of evolution to handle the hard cases.
If creationism is useful it is for other than scientific reasons. Maybe evolution does tend to kick humans off some special perch and give people the idea that anything goes cuz we're all just animals anyway. Maybe creationism creates a story about how special humans are and how we should behave properly. But just because some people misinterpret and misapply evolution to justify their own libertine or eugenic ideas doesn't make the evolutionary theories any less useful. Christian ideas have been misinterpreted and misapplied countless times to advance scandalous and savage ideas. As I said before, scientific theories are not right or wrong they are merely useful or useless.
We as humans do not get to know the truth. All we get to do is "see through a glass darkly". We can take a leap of faith and believe the Bible to be the complete inerrant word of God. We can also take a leap of faith and believe that the world that we perceive around us actually exists pretty much as we perceive it. But in no way can we prove this deductively to ourselves or anyone else.
Creationism by definition is scientifically useless. ID by definition is scientifically useless. The best creationists can do is attempt to show that evolutionary theory is also scientifically useless. This should be a relatively easy task given the difficulty of constructing experiments to prove evolutionary theory. It would be a far better use of their time for creationists to focus on the utility, or lack thereof, of evolutionary theory rather than on ad hominem attacks of those that espouse it.
==Are you anything other than a one trick pony GGG.
Touchy, touchy! You are the one that needs the atheists to push YOUR SIDE over the top. It is you who can’t even tolerate guided evolution (the next biggest percentage after biblical creationists), and place yourself squarely in the ATHEIST camp (unguided/naturalistic evolution).
==And you wonder why I bring up the Pope to you so often, and yet STILL you cannot wrap you mind around the concept.
The reason why you bring up the Pope so much is because you try to hide behind HIS coattails. I keep telling you the Pope carries zero weight with PROTESTANTS, and yet you keep trying to throw him in front of the spiritual arrows that are specifically meant for you. Not exactly a profile in courage if you asked me.
==Also, I believe that God guides EVERYTHING.
OK, since God guides EVERYTHING, then you must believe that He guides the very evolution you keep prattling on about. Please provide some specific examples of how God guides evolution.
Since you never seem to have anything important to add to virtually any conversation, I am ignoring you until you stop nitpicking from the shadows and start advancing your own position. Man-up, boy!
I answered you question and clearly stated my position. Your response to this was to be childish and hurl insults.
I think that you should first follow what your comment says before you expect others to.
Here’s another practitioner of revolutionary materialism (or in your mind, radical Islamist...LOL) that you left out of your ignorant quiz:
At the height of his power in the 1970s and 1980s, Abu Nidal, or “father of the struggle,” was widely regarded as the world’s most dangerous terrorist leader...Part of the **secular**, **left-wing**, Palestinian rejectionist front, so-called because they reject proposals for a peaceful settlement with Israel...”
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/AbuNidal.html
Your illogical statements are not “spiritual arrows”, they are an inability to accept that one can be a Christian and not accept your interpretation on the age of the Earth and how life and humanity was created.
You respond to the charge of being a one trick pony by once again reiterating that the battle lines as you see it are “atheist camp” and you. Amazingly dense.
==The same way God guides dice rolls is the way God guides evolution.
So what you are saying is, everything is actually designed, but we just can’t perceive it?
Sure sounds secular to me. Holy war. Secular. Only to you.
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