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US officials: FBI begins criminal investigation into Somali pirates amid hostage standoff (??)
Newsday ^ | 4/11/09 | Matt Apuzzo

Posted on 04/11/2009 10:39:04 AM PDT by pissant

FBI agents are investigating the Somali pirates who hijacked a U.S. ship and are holding its captain hostage, U.S. officials said Saturday, raising the possibility of federal charges against the men if they are captured.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: larrysinclairslover; obama; obozotheclown; pirates
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Good frickin grief? FBI investigation? How about the SEALs or the USMC investigating with their weapons. Obama is a sick joke.
1 posted on 04/11/2009 10:39:04 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

This is what we can expect when we get attacked again.


2 posted on 04/11/2009 10:40:42 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: pissant

Ummmm..., another “police action”.... LOL...

Actually, Obama should get the U.S. *out of there* and leave it to the other countries who “supported” the problem for years by paying ransoms to the pirates. Let the rest of the world take care of their own problems...

Get the U.S. out!

“World... take care of your own pirates!”


3 posted on 04/11/2009 10:41:17 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: pissant

Darned, that cuts out the possibility these pukes will be allowed to swim ashore in sharkfilled waters.


4 posted on 04/11/2009 10:42:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: pissant

Well, gee, didn’t Slick’s prosecutions from WTC #1 put an end to future threats?


5 posted on 04/11/2009 10:42:36 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: pissant
Oh good......The pirates will know not to mess with the US when the FBI hands out subpoena's and arrest warrants to the pirates. Obama is a JOKE!!
6 posted on 04/11/2009 10:42:51 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: pissant

THIS is what you get when you have LAWYERS running our lives.....and an incompetent, cowardly, traitorous (non) President.


7 posted on 04/11/2009 10:42:52 AM PDT by goodnesswins (They'll miss America (and our contributions) when we're gone....)
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To: unixfox

Remember, 0bama no longer uses the terms terror, terrorism, War on Terror, or other appropriate terminology.

0bama is a traitor. 0bama is a sell-out to his Islamic brethren. 0bama is a direct threat to the US.

So he gets elected president...

Tell me our country isn’t messed up.


8 posted on 04/11/2009 10:43:14 AM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: pissant

Its truly bizarroland out there.

Its only common sense that these pirates should never be brought to America under any circumstance.

I can see it now, we’ll have to give visas to the pirates family members so they can give aid to their relative in their time of need. And then, after they are acquitted on a technicality I guess they’ll stay.


9 posted on 04/11/2009 10:45:09 AM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: pissant

There is a legal terminology (Latin) that is normally applied to high-seas pirates and thieving killers. It means “enemy of the world” or somethng to that effect. It also means that by international law, these thugs have no rights and can be delt with accordingly, i.e. no quarter, to Miranda rights, no habeus corpus etc. What is that terminology? I heard it on Rush the other day but did not have a chance to write it down. Why the ____ is this not being applied here?


10 posted on 04/11/2009 10:45:27 AM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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To: pissant

Now that the FBI is involved, I guess we can expect that the “pirates” are protected by “rights” guaranteed to them under the U.S. Constitution. ROTFL! Now I know why Hillary was laughing. I find that absurd also but not quite as funny as she does.


11 posted on 04/11/2009 10:45:36 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (So Orwell was off by 25 years! So what!)
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To: pissant
THIS IS EDWARD TEACH, AKA BLACKBEARD THE PIRATE, BEFORE:

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THIS IS BLACKBEARD THE PIRATE AFTER

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(WELL, PART OF HIM ANYWAY. GUESS THEY WERE SHORT OF PIKES.)
QUESTIONS???
OF COURSE, OLD ED WAS A WHITE GUY -- KILLED BY OTHER WHITE GUYS FOR PIRACY.

COULD RACE, COLOR OR RELIGION BE PLAYING A ROLE IN THE CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR TOWARD THE POOR, DESPERATE, MISUNDERSTOOD MUSLIM SOMALI PIRATES??

PERISH THE THOUGHT!!


12 posted on 04/11/2009 10:45:51 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: pissant

Good Grief!!

Can you imagine Thomas Jefferson’s marines having to read the Barbary pirates their Miranda rights?


13 posted on 04/11/2009 10:46:17 AM PDT by LoneStarC
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To: pissant

International waters - FBI? Investigation? The freakin’ pirates hijack two ships and the FBI is going to investigate? Investigate what? How Hussein is sending Easter greetings (to America according to him is non-Christian) but nothing about the hijacking? T. Jefferson would have already nuked their base ....


14 posted on 04/11/2009 10:46:56 AM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: pissant

We don’t need no stinkin’ investigation.
I want pirate corpses floating in salt water.


15 posted on 04/11/2009 10:47:02 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (To stand up for Capitalism is to hope Teleprompter Boy fails.)
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To: pissant

The way to deal with these pirates is to tell them that if they harm Captain Phillips, they will be killed on the high seas. That if they release him, they will be towed to Somali waters. Then two them to the twelve mile limit, cut the two rope, and machine gun a dozen holes into the lifeboat and leave. Don’t shoot the pirates but let them either swim to shore or be eaten by the sharks or drown—which ever is, as they say, al-Lah’s will.


16 posted on 04/11/2009 10:47:26 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: pissant

I have heard that they at least know the locations of some of the luxury homes owned by the pirates. Why not shell a few while they are waiting to resolve this? Good training for the gunners mates.


17 posted on 04/11/2009 10:48:24 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: downtownconservative

I think the latin term for “enemy of mankind” i.e., a person who has, by his actions, placed himself outside of the human race... is:

Hostis humani generis


18 posted on 04/11/2009 10:49:38 AM PDT by LoneStarC
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To: pissant

The FBI investigating this is a waste of time. If B HO really wants to get tough, he needs to secure a United Nations Security Council Resolution condemning Piracy!

Yeah, that’ll teach them all!

Okay, sarcasm gone now.


19 posted on 04/11/2009 10:49:53 AM PDT by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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To: pissant

“federal charges”

How freaking bizzarre. This occurred on the high seas in international waters. Kill them all and be done with it.

I can’t believe the stupidity coming out of this administration.


20 posted on 04/11/2009 10:50:34 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: pissant

Obama's America

The World's Policeman

21 posted on 04/11/2009 10:52:13 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: downtownconservative
Hostis humani generis
22 posted on 04/11/2009 10:52:19 AM PDT by Ben Hecks (Dec 7, 1941 - Sep 11, 2001 - Nov 4, 2008)
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To: pissant
For the love of Pete.....find their villages naplam them, sink any vessel they believe the pirates own or take, this crap will stop quick.

Leave the FBI to investigate congress.

23 posted on 04/11/2009 10:52:39 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: DakotaRed
The FBI investigating this is a waste of time

There's not enough on Wall St for them to investigate?

24 posted on 04/11/2009 10:55:28 AM PDT by ninonitti
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To: pissant

FBI agents are investigating the Somali pirates who hijacked a U.S. ship and are holding its captain hostage

Investigating? Investigating what? Islamofacists/pirates/terrorists have attacked Nation flagged ocean vessels and held crew hostage and demanded ransome and fired on ships and generally behaved like the terrorist thy are.
Get them in the gunsite and pull the trigger. Screw that investigating crap......


25 posted on 04/11/2009 10:56:39 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

LOL!!~ but also very sad....


26 posted on 04/11/2009 10:57:57 AM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: pissant
Its a mistake to think you can adjudicate war. If war can be managed by attorneys with brief cases, with suits and ties, serving subpoenas and fashioning brilliant arguments before judges behind mahogany benches, you are not yet at War. War is by its very nature an extra-legal enterprise, it is the state of affairs that exists when lawyers and policemen and judges are no longer able to manage a confrontation. At that point, the men in suits take a recess, and the men with guns go in to kill the men who couldn’t be reasoned with, them and anyone standing near them, you wipe out their leadership and everything of value that can be used to keep them alive, you wipe out whole towns if necessary, whole armies, and when you have completely re-drawn the map and created a new status quo to replace the old toxic one, only then do you let the men in suits with the briefcases resume control. War is the parenthesis that occupies the space between the failure of the old status quo and the birth of the new one. When rule-of-law resumes, when a new circumstance has emerged that permits the resumption of rule-of-law, the war is over

Not mine, but from a Freeper who wrote it. I wish "Zero" would read it.

27 posted on 04/11/2009 10:58:16 AM PDT by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: pissant

The FBI
Foolish Beyond Imagination


28 posted on 04/11/2009 10:58:51 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Star Traveler
"Get the U.S. out!"

Are you suggesting that US-flagged ships should not transit the area? That they should travel around the Southern tip of Africa, rather than transit the Suez Canal?

After Obie's "law-enforcement" attempts fail miserably; I think they will have no other choice. Though, I suppose they could always pay tribute to the pirates.

29 posted on 04/11/2009 11:00:10 AM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: downtownconservative
What is that terminology?

the status of al Qaeda terrorists is to be found in a distinction first made by the Romans and subsequently incorporated into international law by way of medieval and early modern European jurisprudence.

the Romans distinguished between bellum - war against legitimus hostis, a legitimate enemy) and guerra - war against latrunculi - pirates, robbers, brigands and outlaws.

Bellum became the standard for interstate conflict, and it is here that the Geneva Conventions were meant to apply. They do not apply to guerra.

Indeed, punishment for latrunculi, “the common enemies of mankind,” traditionally has been summary execution.

Though they don't often employ the term, many legal experts agree that al Qaeda fighters are latrunculi — hardly distinguishable by their actions from pirates and the like.

Thus al Qaeda members “can be punished for all hostile acts, including the killing of soldiers, because they have no right to participate directly in hostilities.”
But the Obama administration is about to extend legal rights — intended to protect civilians — to the very latrunculi who want to blow them up by considering the possibility of trying them in U.S. courts.

Indeed, Attorney General Holder did not rule out trying the Somali pirates.

30 posted on 04/11/2009 11:00:27 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: ChicagahAl

We can take care of our own ships... we don’t have to go protecting the rest of the world who created this problem from their paying off the pirates for years.

I don’t think the U.S. should be “bailing out” the world... LOL...

We’ve had enough “bailouts” for one administration, thank you...


31 posted on 04/11/2009 11:03:58 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Ben Hecks

This is from Wikapedia: “Perhaps the oldest of the laws of the sea is the prohibition of piracy, as the peril of being set upon by pirates, who are motivated by their own greed, rather than by national allegiance, is shared by the vessels and mariners of all nations, and thus represents a crime upon all nations;

as such, since the time of the Ancient Romans, pirates have been held to be individuals waging a private warfare, a private campaign of sack and pillage, against not only their victims, but against all nations,

and thus, pirates hold the peculiar status of being regarded as “hostis humani generis”, the enemies of mankind.

Since piracy anywhere is a peril to every mariner and ship everywhere, it is held to be the universal right and the universal duty of all nations, regardless of whether their ships have been beset by the particular pirate captured, to capture, try, and either execute (which is the traditional custom of the sea) or otherwise suppress the pirate, such as by imprisonment.”

Thanks!


32 posted on 04/11/2009 11:04:20 AM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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To: pissant

I’m sure that captain that is held hostage will be glad to know his captors with a gun to his head are being investigated.

This is the biggest pussy President EVER. Even beyond Jimmy Carter. Forgive my language, but he is ridiculous.


33 posted on 04/11/2009 11:08:15 AM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: pissant

I thought for sure this was the Onion. I still can’t believe it’s serious.


34 posted on 04/11/2009 11:10:40 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: pissant

Can you believe this? I am appalled.


35 posted on 04/11/2009 11:13:45 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: bill1952

“latrunculi” and “hostis humani generis” certainly should apply to al quaida terrorists, et al, and somali pirates. Summary execution is warranted and justifiable. But this president has no b—ls. Weakness begets trouble. The begetting has commenced in full array.


36 posted on 04/11/2009 11:14:55 AM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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To: unixfox
Actually we can expect worse.....like our troops, after being executed, dragged through the streets and shown on CNN as entertainment.
37 posted on 04/11/2009 11:20:44 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: pissant

So when do they send in the flame throwers?/


38 posted on 04/11/2009 11:20:53 AM PDT by Califreak (Obama is Swahili for "Death to America")
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To: Popman
It is a mistake to think you can adjudicate war

Cicero said it better:

"Inter arma enim silent leges" (Between armies the laws are silent).

39 posted on 04/11/2009 11:21:50 AM PDT by Jim Noble (They are willing to kill for socialism...but not to die for it.)
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To: pissant
Ha Ha Ha Ha this gets better by the Minute ,I am sure those Somalis are shaking in their sandal's!
40 posted on 04/11/2009 11:22:52 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: pissant

Pirates? That’s what RPGs are for!


41 posted on 04/11/2009 11:27:07 AM PDT by LLoyd George (more speculation games - cosmology style)
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To: downtownconservative

For an unabridged story about that:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123940383654409651.html


42 posted on 04/11/2009 11:31:52 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: pissant; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; BOBTHENAILER; BIGLOOK; Marine_Uncle; blam; ...

World law ....?


43 posted on 04/11/2009 11:44:25 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: bill1952

Thanks for the useful info.


44 posted on 04/11/2009 11:48:36 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

It’s enough to kill pirates on the high seas. They will keep coming back. Entire pirate villages need to be carpet bombed.


45 posted on 04/11/2009 11:54:45 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: pissant

Next we will be sicking our lawyers on them and having John Kerry Nuance them into submission.


46 posted on 04/11/2009 11:57:17 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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To: pissant
FR Thread:

RUSH IN A HURRY -- Somali Pirates are Muslim Terrorists, Not Criminals

47 posted on 04/11/2009 12:04:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: pissant

Next headline: Somali Pirates’ “Assault Weapons” illegally smuggled from the US


48 posted on 04/11/2009 12:11:24 PM PDT by DTogo (Time to bring back the Sons of Liberty.)
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To: libh8er

Obama wants to reduce our nuclear arsenal. I would suggest dropping one on Mogadishu and the pirate’s port cities would help him with his plan...and the fact that the fallout will rain upon the Saudi Red Sea coast would be a benefit to the rest of the world.


49 posted on 04/11/2009 12:17:38 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

Oops.. I meant it’s NOT enough to keep pirates on high seas..

There are lots of good places to drop nukes on around the world. In fact I could probably name more places than there are nukes in our arsenal - which means we will have to be judicious in our choice of targets !


50 posted on 04/11/2009 12:39:22 PM PDT by libh8er
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