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To: puroresu
And you’re again caught between Scylla and Charibdes.

Perhaps. But doesn't it make more sense to try the peaceful way first? The one least likely to lead to acrimony and hostility? Shouldn't a settlement agreeable to both sides followed by peaceful separation and friendly relations be the first, best goal for both parties?

281 posted on 04/18/2009 12:08:28 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
But doesn't it make more sense to try the peaceful way first? The one least likely to lead to acrimony and hostility? Shouldn't a settlement agreeable to both sides followed by peaceful separation and friendly relations be the first, best goal for both parties?

Sure, but the question I posed to you was whether you would support secession without consent IF the Congress refused to allow it and if the existing federal government was operating outside the bounds of the Constitution.

The problem here, I think, is that you and some other posters in these threads don't understand the nature of modern liberalism. You think today's liberals are descendants of the pro-labor, big spending smoke-filled-room pols of the New Deal era. Or maybe descendants of the William Jennings Bryan style progressives who wanted a lot of government programs to fulfill their Christian zeal. Whatever problems there may have been with those old style liberals, they weren't un-American or hostile to our national heritage.

But that isn't what we're dealing with. Today's liberals are descendants of the Socialists, anarchists, and Reds who came over from Europe and became concentrated in the large Northern cities during the Ellis Island era. They slowly wormed their way into the Democratic Party, and seized majority control of it in the 1960s. Since then they've slowly turned it into an outright totalitarian party, a party determined to refashion America as a one-party leftist state. They can never be satisfied or appeased because they are messianic and are in a permanent state of war against our entire civilization, which they regard as racist, sexist, homophobic, imperialist, and so forth.

Now that they have their first ideologically pure ally in the presidency, we can see what we're facing. Just in the past week or so we've seen the Adorno-like Napolitano document essentially defining conservative opinion as terrorism. We've seen the launching of a crusade to "diversify" neighborhoods, complete with radio ads informing the public that they won't be permitted to avoid "diversity" anywhere. We've seen Obama cozying up to Castro, Chavez, Lula, and others. We also saw Obama cover up Christian symbols during his speech at Georgetown. We've seen a media that's getting more partisan by the day, as epitomized by the sneering, hostile coverage of the tea parties.

We're dealing with people who do not believe an alternative to their ideology has a right to exist. Or that anyone on earth has a right to escape their ideology. That's what we're facing. We're now dealing with a political party that has declared war on our nation's heritage and which seeks to turn our nation into a jackboot stomping an American face forever and ever and ever. They believe the entire planet should be under their ideology. Why would they ever allow a chunk of America to voluntarily depart?

299 posted on 04/18/2009 11:14:37 PM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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