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Possibility of Bio-Terrorism in Swine Flu Outbreak
April 25, 2007 | freedomfighter1013

Posted on 04/25/2009 5:51:39 AM PDT by FreedomFighter1013

In a discussion this morning with a cell biologist and medical doctor working at Johns Hopkins, my friend thought this 4-part flu combination is highly unusual and looks like it could be man-made. Especially because it has an avian strain. My doctor friend (he's Taiwanese) explained that in Asia, it's common for a avian-swine-human flu to happen naturally, but this virus first showed up in Mexico, where pigs and ducks are not usually raised together. Also, recombination of more than 2-different flu viruses is extremely rare. I'm just repeating what he said as an expert in the field. He says the CDC needs to explain if there is a possibility that we are under a bio-weapon attack.

From CDC via Wikipedia: Anne Schuchat, director of CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said that the American cases were found to be made up of genetic elements from four different flu viruses -- North American swine influenza, North American avian influenza, human influenza A virus subtype H1N1, and swine influenza virus typically found in Asia and Europe. For two cases a complete genome sequence had been obtained. She said that the virus was resistant to amantadine and rimantadine, but susceptible to oseltamivir (Tamiflu) and zanamivir (Relenza).[22][23][24] Preliminary genetic characterization found that the hemagglutinin (HA) gene was similar to that of swine flu viruses present in U.S. pigs since 1999, but the neuraminidase (NA) and matrix protein (M) genes resembled versions present in European swine flu isolates. Viruses with this genetic makeup had not previously been found to be circulating in humans or pigs, but there is no formal national surveillance system to determine what viruses are circulating in pigs in the U.S.[25] The seasonal influenza strain H1N1 vaccine is thought to be unlikely to provide protection.[26]


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bioterrorism; chat; flu; mexican; mexicanflu; notbreakingnews; outbreak; speculation; swine; swineflu; tm; virus
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1 posted on 04/25/2009 5:51:39 AM PDT by FreedomFighter1013
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Am I to understand this MAY be a combination of swine and avian flu? I’m not up on these various strains- but I don’t remember learning about a combination type. Odd.

Thanks for passing on your conversation.


2 posted on 04/25/2009 5:55:11 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Cue the movie “Twelve Monkeys.”


3 posted on 04/25/2009 5:56:17 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; F15Eagle; GOPJ; Munz; Quix; SandRat; SJackson; SolidWood

ping


4 posted on 04/25/2009 5:57:13 AM PDT by Perdogg (University of North Carolina - 2009 NCAA basketball champs)
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To: FreedomFighter1013; Black Agnes

Uh oh.


5 posted on 04/25/2009 5:57:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" will be ready the first week of May.)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Here’s more from AP via Seattle Post Intelligencer: http://www.seattlepi.com/health/1500ap_med_swine_flu.html?source=rss

The worrisome new virus - which combines genetic material from pigs, birds and humans in a way researchers have not seen before - also sickened at least eight people in Texas and California, though there have been no deaths in the U.S.

“We are very, very concerned,” World Health Organization spokesman Thomas Abraham said. “We have what appears to be a novel virus and it has spread from human to human ... It’s all hands on deck at the moment.”


6 posted on 04/25/2009 5:57:22 AM PDT by FreedomFighter1013 (Obama is Weakening America for Partisan Gain: That's Change For You)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Interesting perspective but it looks like there is only a 2% mortality rate so far. I would think a bio terrorist bug would kill more people. Unless of course this is just a test run.


7 posted on 04/25/2009 5:57:50 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (Support The American Tea Party)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

engineered

unless there is a plausible reason for it to appear in 4 different parts in Mexico among people with no known risk factors for exposure to combined livestock, and that it kills adults in prime age (such as military men)

or a lab screw up in testing a vaccine that was intended to protect against combined strains and had a live strain in it
?? live bird flu was “accidentally” sent out in a test vaccine by a lab in Austria this winter

The quickness of CDC to jump on this suggest incompetent alarmists at CDC or foreknowledge of a time bomb waiting to go off


8 posted on 04/25/2009 5:58:04 AM PDT by silverleaf (We live in interesting times: now the entire IRS works for a tax evader)
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To: FreedomFighter1013
“We are very, very concerned,” World Health Organization spokesman Thomas Abraham said. “We have what appears to be a novel virus and it has spread from human to human ... It’s all hands on deck at the moment.”

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WHO and CDC know more than they are saying.

9 posted on 04/25/2009 5:58:40 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: SE Mom

Probably a right-winged extremist plot. Waiting for those words from Mz. Napoliano at HLS to justify her recent rantings.


10 posted on 04/25/2009 5:58:59 AM PDT by not2worry (WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

This does look like a man-made pathogen...perhaps destined for our southern border?
Our crack DHS Sec. will probably be on CNN soon telling us there is absolutely no link to terrorists, and that will make everyone feel safe.


11 posted on 04/25/2009 5:59:09 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: FreedomFighter1013
It is a VERY unlikely bio-weapon because, as the article says, “[IT is] susceptible to oseltamivir (Tamiflu).

Lots of flu is resistant. If you wanted to kill people, the LAST thing you would do is engineer a strain susceptible to tamiflu.

12 posted on 04/25/2009 5:59:10 AM PDT by HospiceNurse
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I'm so glad we've closed the mexican borders. Wait...what's that you say? The borders remain open? Well, nevermind.


13 posted on 04/25/2009 6:01:08 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: FreedomFighter1013; Rushmore Rocks

bump and ping

RR I’m off to work, keep me posted. I have a co-worker who has been rally sick like down in the bed all week. Scary!!


14 posted on 04/25/2009 6:01:11 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (If he wants to come by the bus after the race and get his a$$ whooped, I'll do it. - Dale Jr)
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To: FreedomFighter1013
The last thing that the Obama administration would ever allow would be the announcement that while the Bush Administration managed to stop numerous terrorist attacks on US soil, as well as foreign interests for nearly 8 years, the US was hit by a biological weapons attack withing Obama's first 100 days in office, especially after Obama announced all those policy changes to make the US more "terrorist friendly."

No, the only way that the admininstration will allow the words "biological terrorist attack" to be used would be if they can squarely rest the blame on the Bush administration.

Mark

15 posted on 04/25/2009 6:01:48 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: silverleaf
The quickness of CDC to jump on this suggest incompetent alarmists at CDC or foreknowledge of a time bomb waiting to go off.

I dont think its the first. Everyone has been watching the h5n1 for awhile and expecting something to happen at anytime. We will have to wait and see if this was enigneered or naturally occuring.

16 posted on 04/25/2009 6:02:02 AM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Captain Trips...


17 posted on 04/25/2009 6:02:24 AM PDT by Allegra ( Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

And you have what kind of proof?? Nothing.


18 posted on 04/25/2009 6:03:46 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Didn’t know about the specific types, but yes, the possibility of bio terrorism was discussed here last night. Disperse it in Mexico or Central America where it won’t be detected too quickly. Let it spread there knowing that it would soon be brought across the border in no time. Spring being the perfect season with Americans going down to Mexico for Spring Break and vactions and illegals coming north for the planting season. We’ve already had confirmed cases in CA, AZ and TX and it’s in Canada. Yesterday, up in Queens, a private school had 75 students being tested.


19 posted on 04/25/2009 6:05:15 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: SE Mom
Am I to understand this MAY be a combination of swine and avian flu?

Even worse, per some talk radio commentaries: swine-avian-human flu mixture.

That makes it even more suspicious.
20 posted on 04/25/2009 6:05:21 AM PDT by TomGuy
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