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To: GodGunsGuts
Another moronic fallacy. While the three given examples pale in comparison to the 20th century slaughters, the total prior to the last century, as far as religious derived bloodshed, is easily 10 times what your boogeymen accomplished, in my opinion. The putrid excuses made in that diatribe are typical of creationists and particularly those who deny any religious ties the the so-called atheist killers of the 20th century.

Even though creationists deny that the 20th century tyrants had any religious ties, there seems to be a lot of information out there which contradicts those assumptions. In either case, it truly doesn't matter to historical numbers as far as responsibility concerning human bloodshed go as they point inevitably towards religion as the primary culprit over the last 2000 years, and even prior to that. Whole cities, peoples and civilizations have been wiped out in the name of (insert Deity here). Cumulative totals would likely be ten times that of your communist totalitarians. Consider that I am not excluding the western hemisphere from those historical totals.

Religion is far from being ‘benign’ throughout history.

90 posted on 05/14/2009 11:55:03 AM PDT by Pox
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To: Pox; GodGunsGuts

Thus is the problem in trying to bring morality questions into an a-moral issue. People of all stripes apply science, philosophy, or religion in moral and immoral ways. It is the flaw of humans. See my above comment regarding Newtonian Physics.


91 posted on 05/14/2009 12:04:00 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Pox
"Even though creationists deny that the 20th century tyrants had any religious ties, there seems to be a lot of information out there which contradicts those assumptions."

really? where?

Stalin was a devout Jew? Hitler was a practicing Catholic? MAO was what? What about Khan, Alexander the great? All religious nuts? You only wish. You're so full of it your eyes are brown.

Even things blamed on the church, such as the Spanish inquisitions, weren't anything ordered or saw over by the church. They were campaigns carried out by the ruler of the day. They had nothing to do with the church.

Your 200 year figure is a joke. Christians barely existed for the first 300 years. They were persecuted by the Roman empire.

The church didn't even gain any real power until the 1400's, So sorry, your attempt to paint religion as the culprit fails miserably in the face of FACT.

There was ONE "religion" if you insist on calling it that, that did and still does a lot of slaughtering, and that is Islam. But it seems to be the one you embrace, or leave alone at best.

93 posted on 05/14/2009 12:23:33 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Pox

Where is your documentation for your transparently ignorant claims? Put up or shut up.


105 posted on 05/14/2009 3:13:58 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Pox; Tailgunner Joe; Thunder90; editor-surveyor; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; GourmetDan; MrB; ..

I demonstrate that the biggest mass murderers in history were all revolutionary materialists. I then demonstrate that the terrorist group with the most number of suicide bombings under its belt is revolutionary materialist. And I even show you that the greatest number of suicide bombers in Lebanon come from secular socialist and communist groups. And yet you have the audacity to maintain that religious people have killed ten times more than they! And all based on ZERO documentation. Talk about burying your head in the sand!


107 posted on 05/14/2009 4:17:05 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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