Live Thread: Obama vs. Cheney

Thursday, May 21, 2009 | Kristinn

[kristinn]

Obama goes first in a few minutes. He's speaking at the rotunda of the National Archives (you think we could get Nicholas Cage on that birth certificate thingey?) on his Gitmo policy and other man-caused calamities.

Vice President Cheney gets the rebuttal time. He's speaking at the American Enterprise Institute around 10:45 a.m. EDT.

[pillut48]

Yes, HolyO came across as a petulant, lying little kid who has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar! God save America from this man and his controllers/puppetmasters!!!

[devolve]

THE GREAT PRETENDER

[Red_Devil 232]

From The Weekly Standard

What Will Obama Say?

Marc Ambinder gets a preview that includes, Step 1) Blame Bush:

 

Obama will caution that he does not have "the luxury of starting from scratch" -- cleaning up something that is "a mess that has left in its wake a flood of legal challenges that we are forced to deal with on a constant basis and that consume the time of government officials whose time would be better spent protecting the country."

 

It's worth remembering that the Bush administration didn't have the "luxury of starting from scratch," unless you mean the exciting opportunity to create a whole new building in the crater where the Trade Towers once stood. Bush, if you'll remember, was cleaning up "a mess" that left "in its wake" a "flood" of dead Americans and immediate threats to the rest of the country. It's a bit unseemly for Obama to whine about the "legal challenges" left by an administration that was successful in protecting the country from those threats for seven years.

[bt_dooftlook]

I beg to differ. I disagreed with former President Bush on a number of issues, including Harriet Meiers, Amnesty, Medicare prescriptions, etc. However, he is showing the class that his Republican predecessors showed, and which has been conspicuously lacking in Mr. Carter, Mr. Clinton, and now President Obama. I think he was careful not to blame Mr. Clinton for errors of his Administration (esp in the 9/11 hearings), but rather stooped to shoulder the responsibilities of the job he had sought.

With every passing day, President Obama chooses to continue the policies of his predecessor, revealing his campaign and his party as hyper-partisan, ungrounded in fact, and based on a hatred of America and self.

President Bush is looking more presidential every day; history will judge him well against Clinton and Obama, IMHO

[Panzerlied]

“Beckel calls Cheney’s speech slanderous.”

Poor BO. He has no Sedition Act to stop such “slander”.

[Girlene]

Cheney's view on Gitmo and the interrogators:

......."For all that we’ve lost in this conflict, the United States has never lost its moral bearings. And when the moral reckoning turns to the men known as high-value terrorists, I can assure you they were neither innocent nor victims. As for those who asked them questions and got answers: they did the right thing, they made our country safer, and a lot of Americans are alive today because of them.

Like so many others who serve America, they are not the kind to insist on a thank-you. But I will always be grateful to each one of them, and proud to have served with them for a time in the same cause. They, and so many others, have given honorable service to our country through all the difficulties and all the dangers. I will always admire them and wish them well. And I am confident that this nation will never take their work, their dedication, or their achievements, for granted. ".................

Vs. Obama's view on Gitmo:

.........."There is also no question that Guantanamo set back the moral authority that is America’s strongest currency in the world. Instead of building a durable framework for the struggle against al Qaeda that drew upon our deeply held values and traditions, our government was defending positions that undermined the rule of law. Indeed, part of the rationale for establishing Guantanamo in the first place was the misplaced notion that a prison there would be beyond the law – a proposition that the Supreme Court soundly rejected. Meanwhile, instead of serving as a tool to counter-terrorism, Guantanamo became a symbol that helped al Qaeda recruit terrorists to its cause. Indeed, the existence of Guantanamo likely created more terrorists around the world than it ever detained.

So the record is clear: rather than keep us safer, the prison at Guantanamo has weakened American national security. It is a rallying cry for our enemies. It sets back the willingness of our allies to work with us in fighting an enemy that operates in scores of countries. By any measure, the costs of keeping it open far exceed the complications involved in closing it. That is why I argued that it should be closed throughout my campaign. And that is why I ordered it closed within one year. "..............

[Logic n' Reason]

to be the lone voice against these forces of hatred and insanity.

I agree completely....but I really really really question why Mr. Cheney is indeed the "lone voice".
Where are all the other republicans? In particular one GWB?
Where are the new republican leaders? Hiding underneath their desks in fear? Where are their voices?
Why are they not lending their voices in an ever increasing crecendo of incredulity of current administration "policies" and in defense of the American people and making direct attacks against these woe begotten SOBs in the current administration.

Why is Cheney the only one??

[Bush Revolution]

We just moved from Hawaii after living there for three years. I know exactly what you mean. When he came to visit and the island had power outage, everyone on the radio was calling up and asking if O was okay. The dumb newscasters were mentioning where his K-bay compound was. O’s compound was the only place on the island that had like 5 generators to have power. It was truly nauseating. Barf...

[angelcindy]

sure she knew..shes lying

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

I LOVE being on offense and I don't want it to ever stop!!! Cheney for party chairman!!

I really don't want him to run for president. I don't want him to have to go through that.

[True Republican Patriot]

Can you imagine how gross and Disgusting Bechtel must be, that he has to pay a Hooker, cheap ones at that:-), for a couple of minutes of “Companionship!” He must really be a true pile of manure and it is a true shame that FOX lowers their standards so low as to give him airtime. Let him go back to his corner watering hole and favorite hooker.

[paulycy]

Somehow this seems appropriate.

[kabar]

Exactly. Where is the movement on repealing the Patriot Act? Crickets chirping.

[potlatch]

He is that!

[STARWISE]

PMSNBC just changed their headline pics .... to their predictable subtle, leftist propaganda. Just minutes before, both pics were rather typical depictions. Here's what's there now:

X0 is bland, civilized ......... and then the Cheney menacing snarl

ROFL ... Cheney must've struck a mighty fear into their formulaic scripts today.

[Texas4ever]

poor Obama...SAD SOPHOMORIC SPEECH...FOLLOWED BY A SPANKING OWNING BY THE MAN....THE LEGEND....DICK CHENEY.....THEN THE NEWS OF TERRORIST PLOT IN NEW YORK.....

RING RING....WAKE UP CALL MR. PRESIDENT....GET OUT FROM UNDER THE DESK....WE HAVE ARUGULA FOR YOU FOR DINNER...JUST COME OUT FROM UNDER THE DESK ....WE WILL BOOK YOU ON LENO AGAIN....

[samiam1972]

Ha! Love them, than you!

[Texas4ever]

IS IT OK TO SAY THE PRESIDENT GOT DICKED?

[kristinn]

Liz Cheney live on MSNBC now.

[riri]

Why is Cheney the only one?

Because besides Bush--Cheney is the only one who has nothing to lose, right?

My biggest criticism of Bush was always that he let them beat him. He just rolled over, got old and tired and had no fight left in him. The more he did it, the more he lost everyone. He wasn't a fighter. Maybe it comes with the territory when you are among the elite, silver spooner crowd.