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With Tiller slaying, abortion opponents lose their moral standing
Kansas City Star ^ | May. 31, 2009 | Mike Hendricks

Posted on 05/31/2009 8:51:27 PM PDT by Lorianne

By midafternoon Sunday, authorities had a 50-something man in custody in connection with the murder of Wichita abortion doctor George Tiller, killed while serving as an usher at his church.

However, the motive for the crime we can all surmise, given the vitriolic rhetoric aimed at Tiller these past couple of decades by anti-abortion activists.

And if we’re right about that, then we know the identities of his accomplices.

They include everyone who has ever called Tiller’s late-term abortion clinic a murder mill.

Whoever called Tiller “Tiller the Killer.”

Groups that fomented hate toward a man who, rightly or wrongly, believed he was serving a noble purpose by being one of the few doctors in the country who performed late-term abortions.

Hate. Not heated opposition. Not strong disagreement.

But blind hatred.

The kind of hate that would prompt some maniac to take a gun into a church and shoot a man to death in front of friends and family.

His accomplices know they have blood on their hands, which might explain why they were quick to issue statements expressing disapproval of Tiller’s murder.

Among them, the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, whose words drip with hypocrisy: “We are shocked at this morning’s disturbing news that Mr. Tiller was gunned down. Operation Rescue has worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see him brought to justice. We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place this morning. We pray for Mr. Tiller’s family that they will find comfort and healing that can only be found in Jesus Christ.”

Shocked? Are any of us really shocked that it would come to this after the many years of demonizing one man? Certainly the group’s founder, Randall Terry, didn’t seem shocked when he issued this statement on Sunday:

(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Kansas
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1 posted on 05/31/2009 8:51:27 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Free speech is now tantamount to murder?


2 posted on 05/31/2009 8:52:23 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Obamber sleaze machine rolls on.


3 posted on 05/31/2009 8:53:58 PM PDT by cyborg (Apple iPhone Addict)
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To: Lorianne

start of a civil war


4 posted on 05/31/2009 8:54:49 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Lorianne

Yes, just like the acts perpetrated on Sept 11 means that NO muslim has any moral standing to speak out against murder! [/sarc]

Ridiculous.


5 posted on 05/31/2009 8:54:50 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Lorianne

By this logic everyone who fought against Hitler had no moral standing.


6 posted on 05/31/2009 8:55:21 PM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: Lorianne
Pure and utter BS. And this guy, heck all the media, can say it but it does not make it so.
7 posted on 05/31/2009 8:55:30 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: Lorianne

With Tiller slaying, abortion opponents lose their moral standing
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No they don’t. Only in the mind of a Useful Idiot with a Marxist agenda.


8 posted on 05/31/2009 8:55:31 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Lorianne

Commie propaganda.


9 posted on 05/31/2009 8:55:32 PM PDT by roses of sharon (We must get a grip on what we can, and hold on. Hold on with energy, imagination, and ferocity)
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To: 4rcane

I wonder if Liberals will self-examine themselves. One man’s hero is another man’s murderer


10 posted on 05/31/2009 8:55:43 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Lorianne
"With Tiller slaying, abortion opponents lose their moral standing"

Hardly. One lone not-job murdering lunatic does not equate to (and absolve) an entire murdering leftwing baby-killing ideology.

11 posted on 05/31/2009 8:56:10 PM PDT by steelyourfaith ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" - Lady Thatcher)
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To: 4rcane

>start of a civil war

“The shot heard around the Nation.”
I don’t know... we shall see.


12 posted on 05/31/2009 8:56:25 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Lorianne

This clown is full of it. We can condemn and denounce Tiller in the strongest terms—and rightly so—without being responsible, in any way, for the actions of this one fellow who shot him.


13 posted on 05/31/2009 8:56:29 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: Lorianne

Simple minded drivel.


14 posted on 05/31/2009 8:57:01 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: Lorianne; Jim Robinson; MountainFlower; Mr. Silverback; Cboldt

Those who are PRO-LIFE don’t murder.

This was not done by a pro-lifer but by someone who was pro-choice. He chose to end someone else’s life. He used a gun. Others use forceps. Both are murder.

How convenient for the baby-killing gun-grabber abortionists that this tragedy “just happened” to occur when they are trying to ramrod immoral, unConstitutional new anti-gun and citizen profiling legislation through Congress!

Those with the least conscience and the most to gain power and wealth from such a tragedy are the most likely to have suborned it. Follow the money.


15 posted on 05/31/2009 8:57:16 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Lorianne

So all Muslims lose their standing after 9/11?


16 posted on 05/31/2009 8:58:15 PM PDT by byteback
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To: Lorianne

So by this reasoning if someone had shot G.W. then the left who has called him murderer and not my president would be guilty of perpetrating the crime too? Nah I didn’t think so./sarcasm


17 posted on 05/31/2009 8:58:28 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: Lorianne

“With Tiller slaying, abortion opponents lose their moral standing”

Oh, how deliciously embarrassed these idiots are going to be if this crime is shown to be motivated by something completely unrelated to abortion...


18 posted on 05/31/2009 8:58:30 PM PDT by Julia H. (Remember when dissent was patriotic?)
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To: Lorianne
Dear Mr. Hendricks,

Yes, many of us consider what Dr. Tiller did to be cold blooded, calculated, barbaric murder of children for profit.

There is no more heinous act imaginable. Therefore it was perfectly predictable that some right thinking individual would blow his murderous backside away.

So, the lesson to be taken from this is:

Even though killing children is 'legal', it's not a good idea to make ones living practicing it. It's most especially not a good idea to be very vocal about the fact that one makes a living from this barbaric practice.

I'll not mourn Tillers death. The world is better off without him.

L

19 posted on 05/31/2009 8:58:37 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lorianne

Sorry, Kansas City Star, but Scott Roeder’s act was his own. It doesn’t “stain” me or any other pro-life conservative that I know.


20 posted on 05/31/2009 8:58:43 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Lorianne

Will this author accept blame if in the future some conservative (God forbid) were the target of an attempt by some leftist activist to kill or injure a prominent conservative. Of course we all rememeber how much of the left responded when Jerry Falwell died.


21 posted on 05/31/2009 8:58:53 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: Lorianne
now let me try to understand... a man that killed thousands of babies has the moral high ground.

Oh, ok...got it.

So now the moral high ground is defined by being able to stick a tube into a babies skull, inject salt water and potassium chloride and then chop it up to deliver a pile of goo. Or just deliver the baby and leave it in an empty room to die of hypothermia or anoxia...

got it.. kill babies.. ok... Kill man that kills babies.. bad.

I don't think by murdering him....this guy got what he deserves for killing babies and earning money for doing that.... But I bet that he's getting what he deserves right now for murdering babies and getting money for it.

22 posted on 05/31/2009 8:59:03 PM PDT by erman (Outside of a dog, a book is man's best companion. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.)
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To: Lorianne
Where is the BARF ALERT! What a bunch of crap.

Some lunatic murders an abortionist, and it's the fault of pro-life groups? PLEASE. Pro-life advocates usually do not even believe in the death penalty or euthanasia, let alone vigilante justice by some maniac with a gun.
23 posted on 05/31/2009 8:59:13 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: Lorianne
With Tiller slaying, abortion opponents lose their moral standing

WRONG! A THOUSAND TIMES WRONG!

Abortion is murder.
This was murder.
MURDER IS NEVER RIGHT!

24 posted on 05/31/2009 8:59:18 PM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ Caligula, just like his Kenyan ancestors, is selling his countrymen into slavery.)
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To: Lorianne

I’ve read so many other articles on Tillers’ death, and this is the one that makes me angry. Hmm.

Nevertheless,

This is how we respond: The prolife community in Kansas and elsewhere provide crisis pregnancy centers and react to late term abortion by supporting perinatal hospice. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2261904/posts

(And, yes, I will spam every thread on Tiller’s death with this link. We cannot be silent about the good work done for life.)


25 posted on 05/31/2009 8:59:38 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Lorianne
Tiller the killer did kill viable babies. Baby killers like Tiller also had a list of baby body parts that they sold. I saw the list. It had parts like eyes for $900.00, backbone- $500.00, brain- $1,000.00 etc. Baby killers are heinous.
26 posted on 05/31/2009 8:59:44 PM PDT by GinaLolaB (=^..^=)
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To: Lorianne

Funny, but I wonder...could this be the spark????


27 posted on 05/31/2009 9:00:45 PM PDT by IrishPennant (RLT = Radical Left Terrorism...feel it????)
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To: Charles Henrickson

I never called him anything but I will now just to practice my free speech rights over these “hate-speech”-law and anti-first amendment types.


28 posted on 05/31/2009 9:01:08 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Lorianne
Right after "zero" is coronated napalitano and the dhs come out with a report branding pro-lifers, returning Vets, tax protesters and others of the "right" as domestic terrorists. This is very "timely". Remember emmanuel said to let no crisis go to waste.

Look for a crackdown on those of us on this side of the issues. Look for infringements of liberty, speech, 2nd Amendment and privacy.

29 posted on 05/31/2009 9:01:49 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: Lorianne

Coming from Kansas City’s version of Pravda, this does not surprise me in the least. This city’s lone newspaper is a rag that is losing subscribers faster than GM is losing customers.

It’s no surprise, again, that the KC Red Star is against free speech for everyone but liberals and their allies. This newspaper has been nothing but birdcage liner since the late 1970s. But it is a good indicator of the things to come.

I say again, the Tiller murder is the modern day equivalent of the Reichstag fire.


30 posted on 05/31/2009 9:02:01 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Let the purging of the RINOs begin in 2010. - MissouriConservative)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Those who are PRO-LIFE don’t murder.

More spin.

31 posted on 05/31/2009 9:02:20 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Lorianne

I condemn the brutal, cold-hearted murder of that guy.

There, now that I’ve gotten that out of the way, I wonder how many babies will survive to live another day because he didn’t...


32 posted on 05/31/2009 9:03:23 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Lorianne

Tiller is a murderer.

The government is responsible under God to punish those guilty of capital crimes. (Rom. 13).

Why is our government not carrying out its God given charge to punish the evil and reward the good?

Why are they tempting people like this man to take the law into their own hands?

Why are we as conservatives attempting to make room in our ranks for people who believe in the killing of babies.

That is not who we are!


33 posted on 05/31/2009 9:04:21 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Life is tough. It is even tougher if you are stupid--John Wayne)
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To: Lorianne

One murder to the thousands he has done and his murder is wrong. Given all murder is wrong, but this is outrageous.


34 posted on 05/31/2009 9:05:20 PM PDT by DHSMostWanted
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To: Lorianne
Free speech is now tantamount to murder?

The madrassas in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are full of "free speech". Don't you think they have an effect? History demonstrates repeatedly the power of words and their motivating influence.

Unfortunatley the pro-life movement is going to be damaged by this cowardly murderer. (Big brave vigilante shoots unarmed abortionist at a church).

It's pathetic that so many posters here today nod, wink, and rationalize this murder. I never realized that the FR is a refuge for moral relativism. The pro-life movement's damage will be compounded by these intellectually addled and morally confused supporters.

35 posted on 05/31/2009 9:06:38 PM PDT by Maynerd
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To: Eagles6

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2261930/posts


36 posted on 05/31/2009 9:06:38 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
When does one sick person represent all of us that oppose abortion? I don't care what the MSM says, God knows my soul. Wrong is wrong. I don't like the wishy-washy shades of gray with which some people are painting this picture.
37 posted on 05/31/2009 9:06:56 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Lorianne

“And if we’re right about that, then we know the identities of his accomplices. They include everyone who has ever called Tiller’s late-term abortion clinic a murder mill.
Whoever called Tiller “Tiller the Killer.”.”

Oh, cripes, I am an accomplice? Hey, I called Hitler a killer too. And Jim Jones. And Charlie Manson.

Why do you asshats think there was only one or two of these killers operating out there? Because only they were so freaking CIVIC MINDED?


38 posted on 05/31/2009 9:07:06 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: Lorianne

I can’t get worked up over the murder of this guy. I feel far more grief reading about the death of a family to a drunk driver, or someone gunned down by a crook.

This is like reading that a Nazi prison camp guard died. I only have so much sorrow in me, and don’t have much to spare for this fellow.


39 posted on 05/31/2009 9:07:08 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Maynerd

I think so too


40 posted on 05/31/2009 9:07:30 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

A serial murderer was murdered.


41 posted on 05/31/2009 9:08:08 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Maynerd

Death to infidels is perfectly okay free speech


42 posted on 05/31/2009 9:08:17 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: jessduntno
Why do you asshats think there was only one or two of these killers operating out there? Because only they were so freaking CIVIC MINDED?

This is a very good point, and should be made many times over ... perhaps more diplomatically.

43 posted on 05/31/2009 9:09:21 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: wintertime
With Tiller slaying, abortion opponents lose their moral standing

If a crime defines a group, the poor would be outlawed because they are responsible for more crime than the rich.

44 posted on 05/31/2009 9:09:51 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: Glenn

Those who honestly advocate for the sanctity of life are being framed over what looks like a carefully timed murder by a pro-choicer/pro-deather (who may actually think he’s pro-life) which will be used to justify more gun-grabs and further institutionalization of abortuaries — and you call that spin?


45 posted on 05/31/2009 9:12:04 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Brush

wouldn’t that make muslims criminals, simply because some of them are terrorists?


46 posted on 05/31/2009 9:12:42 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Lorianne
according to wiki, in 1997 there were 1032 late term abortions and that represented just .08% of the total abortions.

my math has the total abortions for 1997 at 1,290,000.

Is this number accurate?

47 posted on 05/31/2009 9:13:07 PM PDT by Selmore (Trying to breath in the World Trade Center was torture)
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To: The Brush
If a crime defines a group, the poor would be outlawed because they are responsible for more crime than the rich.

Tell that to Bernie Matloff.

48 posted on 05/31/2009 9:14:43 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Lorianne

Why do you asshats think there was only one or two of these killers operating out there? Because only they were so freaking CIVIC MINDED?

“This is a very good point, and should be made many times over ... perhaps more diplomatically.”

You’re right...Why do you people with anal Stetsons think there was only one or two blood soaked savages operating out there? Because only they were so CIVIC MINDED?


49 posted on 05/31/2009 9:15:26 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: Lorianne

Mike, guilt trips only work for the guilty.


50 posted on 05/31/2009 9:15:51 PM PDT by windsorknot
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