Posted on 06/04/2009 5:59:45 AM PDT by epow
On Wednesday, June 3, the National Rifle Association filed a petition for certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of NRA v. Chicago. The NRA strongly disagrees with yesterday's decision issued by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, holding that the Second Amendment does not apply to state and local governments
Have you ever thought about someday actually reading the Constitution? Here's a sample:
Section 10 - Powers prohibited of StatesNo State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
That’s really whack, man.
NOT federal government. NOT Congress.
“To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government.” —John Adams
I used to watch this on TV, “Jane you ignorant slut.”
Thank you, I have no doubt that the Feds are not my friends. Never said as such either. I thank you though for a better interpretation of what Mojave was saying. No offense Mojave, but the explanations just weren’t all that clear from what you were telling me. I’ll take the fault on that one though. Being said though, I think we were trying to arrive at the same conclusion through different means, my apologies.
Advice to the reader:
you can cruise though reading this thread a lot quicker if
you ignore any message that is either to or from mojave
and you will not miss anything important.
“Have you ever thought about someday actually reading the Constitution?”
As much as I would like to degrade you after that remark, I will pass.
Thank you for the kind vote of confidence. /s
I think that the Government Printing Office will send you one if you write and ask them for it.
Thank you for your time.
Read the preamble to the Constitution.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
The People ordained and established the Constitution, not the States, which both grants powers to the federal government, and removes powers from the states. It restricts both in the exercise of their powers, which are strictly limited in the case of the Federal government, more general in the case of the states.
Even the preamble to the BoR that you cite talks about the Conventions of the states, not the states themselves. The Conventions represented the people of the states, not the states as governmental entitities.
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How could you? No one else does, and I'm not even sure that he does either.
All I can deduce from his posts is that he loves the draconian firearms laws his own state of California imposes on it's citizens and doesn't want any interference from the SCOTUS that might infringe on CA's spurious "right" to ignore the 2nd Amendment. He wants to make us believe that Madison didn't intend the 2nd to protect the right of ALL law abiding American people to keep and bear arms, but only intended it to protect that right from the feds for the benefit of those people whose state "allows" them to have guns. No state can "allow" or disallow people to exercise an unalienable right, it can only deny that such a right exists. A right is not a right if a state can allow or disallow it to it's people, it has then been made into a privilege.
Explicitly, in Article 1, Section 8. Not the Bill of Rights. Which was not part of the original Constitution, BTW.
The first amendment is predicated by Congress shall make no law. The Second is not. The Constitution applies to the states and the federal government alike. It's just that most of it is very specific in it's application to only the organization of the federal government. Most, but not all. Art. I, Section 10 contains restrictions on the states. The 10th amendment protects the powers of the states, and those of the people.
Predictable ignorance.
The Second Amendment has NEVER invalidated any of those laws. Our state Constitution has though. Like when then Mayor Diane Feinstein's municipal handgun ban was overturned.
I suspect you are misinterpreting that statement, probably because it is long and complex. Here it is along with quotes from many other Founders and wise men of that age in support of the right of the people to keep and bear arms:
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/quotes/arms.html
Coming from the George Mason Economics Department, I suspect Dr. Walter Williams might have played a role in this page being composed on that website. I don’t know if that’s so, but I imagine it.
The 7th circuit is flagging their nose at the SCOTUS.
No it united them, but denied them equal representation, and oppresses them to this day. The voting rights act being a recent example.
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