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NRA Appeals Seventh Circuit Ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court
NRA-ILA ^ | 06/04/09 | unk

Posted on 06/04/2009 5:59:45 AM PDT by epow

On Wednesday, June 3, the National Rifle Association filed a petition for certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of NRA v. Chicago. The NRA strongly disagrees with yesterday's decision issued by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, holding that the Second Amendment does not apply to state and local governments


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 7thcircuit; appeal; banglist; chicago; decision; lawsuit; nra; ruling
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To: Cyropaedia

That’s why slaves had guns, huh?


681 posted on 06/07/2009 1:49:09 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Mojave
Quote was posted as found. Posting quotes from the time they were WRITING and RATIFYING the BoR is entirely germane.

Your nits about Rawle's quote from the very first publication used to teach law students about our new form of government is idiocy in the highest considering it backs up everything else Mason, Madison, Jefferson, et al are saying.

Also, your further using JUDICIAL ACTIVISM from an off topic court case is hardly "spanking" anything.

Go beg...

682 posted on 06/07/2009 8:00:01 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: Mojave
And no state has prohibited gun ownership.

Really? So all those .50 cal bans, AW bans, handgun bans, and ZERO firearms bans like in NYC and New Jersey are what? Phantoms?

You are delusional...

683 posted on 06/07/2009 8:05:11 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: DesertRhino

The 1st, 2d and 10th are distinctly different from the other Bill of Rights.

The 1st is the only one that says CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW. There is no way it can be interpreted as applying to the states ... unless via the 14th.

The 2d and 10th are the ONLY bill of rights that specifically include the capitalized word State and clearly apply to the state as well as the Feds.


684 posted on 06/08/2009 5:35:26 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Mojave
Typical strawman argument.

Slaves, by definition, do not possess the rights that free individuals do. They were viewed as property.

685 posted on 06/08/2009 11:50:07 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
Which is why the "incorporation" myth was invented. To prevent freed-men slaves from claiming their Rights except in a piecemeal fashion.

Without it, those Rights would have applied to every Citizen equally. The Civil Rights movement would have been entirely unnecessary.

686 posted on 06/09/2009 7:52:42 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: Dead Corpse

Yep. They weren’t entirely keen on the idea of freed slaves having a bona fide right to guns.


687 posted on 06/09/2009 1:30:44 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
Slaves, by definition, do not possess the rights that free individuals do.

What does your imaginary definition say about state gun laws and slaves?

Some states allowed slaves to have weapons, others prohibited it.

688 posted on 06/20/2009 9:38:26 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Dead Corpse
So all those .50 cal bans, AW bans, handgun bans, and ZERO firearms bans like in NYC and New Jersey are what?

Restrictions on SOME arms. Like your Nunn decision's assertion that concealable weapons may be banned.

Another nice foot shot.

689 posted on 06/20/2009 9:40:38 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Mojave
Another strawman argument.

Select groups of slaves that had served in the military were allowed, with the permission of their CO's, to keep a firearm that they had used. Needless to say, slave/plantation owners really weren't enamored with this idea and then steps were taken to restrict slaves from becoming actual soldiers, and even prevent slaves that had served from re-enlisting.

Select groups of slaves were also allowed to use a firearm for hunting food for themselves. But the slave/plantation owner ultimately held the right to repossess the firearm if he decided that it was necessary.

Being allowed, under a particular set of circumstances, do something is not the same thing as having an actual right to do something.

690 posted on 06/20/2009 3:04:02 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
Select groups of slaves that had served in the military were allowed, with the permission of their CO's, to keep a firearm that they had used.

And where's that in the imaginary "definition" you tried to lie into existence?

691 posted on 06/20/2009 3:13:13 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Mojave
Nope, it was more of privilege entirely predicated on military service. The military ultimately held the right to deny an individual soldier a firearm if they ultimately believed that it was correct to do so. A majority of slaves did not actually serve in the military.

So in the end, you are actually talking about a relatively small group of individuals. And even there, the slave owners ultimately had the right to confiscate the firearm if they deemed it to be necessary.

And, again, steps were then taken over time to restrict slaves from serving and even re-enlisting.

692 posted on 06/20/2009 3:29:02 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
Nope, it was more of privilege entirely predicated on military service.

Bzzzzt. Time to refute you again.

The 1798 Kentucky Comprehensive Act allowed slaves and free blacks on frontier plantations "to keep and use guns, powder, shot, and weapons, offensive and defensive."
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

Sourceless falsehoods and imaginary dictionary definitions. Unbelievably lame.

693 posted on 06/20/2009 5:27:51 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Mojave
Sourceless falsehoods and imaginary dictionary definitions. Unbelievably lame.

More nonsense from you. Typical. Actually, you wind up validating my argument.

Even within the context of the state of Kentucky, whites had a right to arms recognized by the state Constitution. Slaves did not. Thus even within the context of the state, there were two different classes of individuals : whites and slaves ( or even freed slaves ). Two different types of laws : Constitutional and statutory. They passed the KCA of 1798 because the latter group did not possess the actual right to arms. And just as the privilege was granted via the legislation, it could just as easily be revoked.

They same could not be said about rights of white residents in Kentucky with regards to gun ownership.

694 posted on 06/20/2009 6:30:34 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia
Even within the context of the state of Kentucky, whites had a right to arms recognized by the state Constitution. Slaves did not.

Let's compare your dishonesty with the facts:

The 1798 Kentucky Comprehensive Act allowed slaves and free blacks on frontier plantations "to keep and use guns, powder, shot, and weapons, offensive and defensive."

1. Slaves had the right to bear arms under the law.

2. That right had NOTHING to do with prior military service, contrary to your earlier sourceless lie. (I didn't see a retraction. No surprise there.)

Thus even within the context of the state, there were two different classes of individuals : whites and slaves ( or even freed slaves

It says "free blacks", not "freed slaves", your dishonest revisionism notwithstanding.

They passed the KCA of 1798 because the latter group did not possess the actual right to arms.

The KCA had nothing to do with the United States Constitution or the Second Amendment, your dancing notwithstanding.

Sourceless assertions, imaginary "definitions" and blatant dishonesty. Every post.

695 posted on 06/20/2009 11:31:34 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Mojave
Restriction on ANY kinda violates "shall not be infringed". There's no qualifier as to type.

Amazing that you'd come back to this after all this time. Trying to sneak in a last word? Pathetic...

696 posted on 06/22/2009 5:27:11 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: Dead Corpse
Restriction on ANY kinda violates "shall not be infringed".

States aren't the central government, no matter how much you hate federalism.

697 posted on 06/22/2009 8:17:17 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Mojave

*yawn*


698 posted on 06/22/2009 9:59:33 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: Dead Corpse

Dreaming of judicial legislation, the love of all you leftists?


699 posted on 06/22/2009 10:02:27 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Mojave

Lame.


700 posted on 06/22/2009 10:24:53 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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