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To: Claud
"Look, I believe the Sacred Scriptures are completely infallible, but how do you know that *your* calculations are correct? The Bible nowhere gives an exact age of the earth. We can arrive at one only by inferring a figure by tallying up lifespans and generations, and that's not an exact science. It's not clear whether the descendants are all strictly "offspring of" or merely "descendants of"--and some of the geneologies may be incomplete. Plus the Septuagint, Masoretic text, and Peshitta all give different figures, so we come up with widely varying ages of the earth."

Exact? No. Close to 6,000 years? Yes.

"I don't think that many people fully appreciate the difficulties of exegesis here."

I don't think that people fully appreciate the impact of the assumptions involved in a 'scientific' age estimate for either the universe or the earth.

49 posted on 06/04/2009 9:45:29 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan

[[I don’t think that people fully appreciate the impact of the assumptions involved in a ‘scientific’ age estimate for either the universe or the earth.]]

Precisely- they FIT the evidences to match the a priori belief, and hteir support for fitting the evidences is based purely on assumptions- when discreprencies arise, or are discovered- such as evidence where it shouldn’t be, all maner of ‘explanations’ are given to discount the evidences- again,m based on nothing but assumptions- but again- here I go being ‘anti-science’ by exposing the assumptions that drive the various dating methods used to ‘determine’ ages beyond 5000 years:

Superposition
Not a valid dating method- too manyvariables must be taken into account- too many suppositions
http://www.fbinstitute.com/powell/evolutionexposed.htm

Stratigraphy
http://geoinfo.nmt.edu/publications/bulletins/135/home.html

Dendrochronology
Up to 10000 years tops

Radiometric Dating Methods
problems with radiometic http://www.specialtyinterests.net/carbon14.html

Obsidian Hydration Dating
Many obsidians are crowded with microlites and crystallines (gobulites and trichites), and these form fission-track-like etch pits following etching with hydrofluoric acid. The etch pits of the microlites and crystallines are difficult to separate from real fission tracks formed from the spontaneous decay of 238U, and accordingly, calculated ages based on counts including the microlite and crystalline etch pits are not reliable.”
http://trueorigin.org/dating.asp
http://www.scientifictheology.com/STH/Pent3.html

Paleomagnetic/Archaeomagnetic
Very little info on this method
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/tecto.htm

Luminescence Dating Methods
http://karst.planetresources.net/Kimberley_Culture.htm

Amino Acid Racemization
http://www.creation-science-prophecy.com/amino/

Fission-track Dating
http://www.ao.jpn.org/kuroshio/86criticism.html

Ice Cores
Varves
At best- the two methods above are only accurate to about 11,000 years due to numerous conditions and environmental uncertainties

Pollens
Corals
Highly unreliable- you’d need constant temps to maintaIN reliable growth pattersn http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i1/coral_reef.asp

Cation Ratio
Fluorine Dating
http://www.present-truth.org/Creation/creation-not-evolution-13.htm

Patination
Known times only throuhg analysis of the patina
Oxidizable Carbon Ratio

Electron Spin Resonance
Cosmic-ray Exposure Dating
Closely related to the buggiest dating methods of Carbon dating

why it’s wrong:
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/dating.html#Carbon
http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3059

RaDio helio dating disproves:
http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/369
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/
http://www.rae.org/


55 posted on 06/04/2009 9:51:36 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GourmetDan
Exact? No. Close to 6,000 years? Yes.

The case for ca. 6,000 more or less is most compelling in relation to the creation of Adam. It's the 6 days prior though that are the sticking point.

Ever read Gerald Schroeder? He makes an interesting case, though I have reservations about it. Anyway, his main point is that time is relative and that time is dilated at our position in the universe because of the expansion of space. It may *look* like 15 billion years from our vantage point, but that from another vantage point only 6 days elapsed. This, I think, cuts right to the heart of the day-age debate by stating (and quite correctly I think) that relativity ensures that the universe could be *both* 15 billions old AND 6 days old, *depending on where you look*. And of course we recall in this context the Scriptural quote that "the day of the Lord is like a thousand years".

We can have this debate. But I'm sick and tired of exegetes puffing up their chests with their own very fallible interpretations instead of some humility, as is proper toward the Word of God.

60 posted on 06/04/2009 10:00:51 AM PDT by Claud
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