Posted on 06/04/2009 9:53:36 AM PDT by Bokababe
...Cavuto's regular panel of guests is arguably the most libertarian one can find anywhere in the "mainstream media," regularly featuring Jonathan Hoenig, Peter Schiff, and even Yaron Brook, President of the Ayn Rand Institute.
That night, the auto company bailouts were again on the docket, and familiar arguments were made by Hoenig and the other panelists about why the results would be worse if the government took control of the auto industry. Cavuto's token panelist from the left2 (a female panelist whose identity I have been unable to verify), made the now also-familiar argument that "we bailed out Wall Street and now Main Street is demanding that the government do something for them." Most of the panelists answered correctly that they were against the Wall Street bailouts as well, a point that was left unemphasized due to several people talking at once. However, the real chance for a meaningful debate still lay ahead. The boisterous Cody Willard set the stage when he said, "If you want to help them, send them your money, but don't hold a gun to my head."
The reply from the panelist arguing the liberal perspective was monumental:
"That's why we have a democratically-elected government and the people want the government to do something."
When she gave that answer, it was time to stop the quips, the witticisms, and even delay going to a commercial, if necessary. Despite the fact that the host trivialized the exchange by talking over part of both her and Willard's comments, the exchange between the two was enormous beyond what most viewers probably realized....
(Excerpt) Read more at campaignforliberty.com ...
once the productive stop working-or start working elsewhere, the brain dead masses will tire of mtv and their latest versions of their ipods and iphones, and suddenly realize that the teat they’ve been sucking on has gone dry. They’ll really be hoping for a change at that point.
Government schools are our nation's most serious threat. The very bedrock of the institution of government K-12 schooling is socialism. Simply by attending schools ( which are funded by police threat) teaches children that it is OK for them to use the government to steal from their neighbor.
Children are awake for about 100 hours out of a week. Of those 100 hours a major chunk of their very best hours are spent learning how to be a socialist in government schools that extract money at the point of a gun.
If we are a socialist nation today it is because the universal education socialists of the 19th and early 20th centuries **WON**. They won by winning the hearts and minds of our nation's children. They **FORCED** children into their socialist indoctrination centers under threat of police action. They funded these government schools in the same manner.
There is a solution! Get your own kids out of the government schools. Encourage to your neighbor to do the same. Then work in every way possible to frustrate the work of the government schools through bond defeats, and law suits. Work to SHUT these socialist camps DOWN! And...Finally, conservatives must set up private vouchers foundations that would fund free, conservative, and private alternatives for all of the nation's children. ( Mini-schools, one room school houses, tutor centers, and homeschool co-ops)
Democracy is just another version of “might makes right”, whether the might comes from superior strength, superior weaponry, or 51% of the vote.
OK but what about the Republican / Libertarian vision? I guess one could argue that a group of people getting together and creating a set of rules that bind everyone and are very difficult to change (ie: a Constitution) is also a form of "Might Makes Right".
HOWEVER: If the reason for the Constitution is to provide the minimal framework possible, as learned over many generations, that allows maximum freedom and minimum coercion one might say it is logically a "best practice" that deserves respect.
This is what we had, and what we lost.
It can't be "restored" in a conventional sense, it is too far gone. Like a historic church that has burnt to the ground, the materials are not available to reconstruct it authentically. However, It can be "rebulit" or reconstructed from the blueprints and photographs.
Many of the productive have no effective way to stop working. For many work is a matter of survivial. Atlas was focused on people at the very top of the economic food chain, who had the resources to stop and still survive. Even most upper middle class professionals are not in a position to do that.
So I think we will keep getting looted and keep working.
I know a young woman who works in retail in a big mall. They are constantly being shoplifted. Their goal is to reduce it as much as they can. They have a nice name for it. “Shrinkage”. They put up with it to earn the profits the store is still making.
That’s us. We are looted, but we still need to make our livings.
Perhaps they kill the business entirely, but so far not.
bump for later.
Yes it is. If you're under 40 you better be running and in a gym getting ready for it. There is no excuse other than willful ignorance at this point.
Well, I’m pushing 60, but I’ve still got some fight left in me.
Dangerous Old Men...
The ideas that animated our Founders are timeless. As is the struggle against thosewho would dictate the terms of existence to the rest of us. You are exactly right. There will be no "going back" to the America that was. The very nature of the coming American Civil War - and World War if I read the signals right - will be transformative beyond our reckoning.
There are several areas in the Constitution which do provide for taxation, and the most notable one being the 16th Amendment allowing personal income tax. And your point is?
You can make a case for auto bailouts being bad, because they are - when instead you try to make the case that the banking bailout was bad too, you don't increase your consistency you just lose contact with reality, but that is another matter - but when instead you make the case that democratic control of any power of the purse is fundamentally evil, your brains have fallen out.
You are all over the place here, babbling, so just whose "brains have fallen out" is a matter of perception.
I didn't write the article so direct your comments to the article, not to me personally.
You've wholly missed the articles point. Americans have been raised with the ideal that anything democratically voted upon is essentially "good", yet the author uses a powerful metaphor to argue that democracy in its extreme form shows no respect for the rights of the individual to retain the fruits of their labors at all. Purely democratic rule is mob (hyena) rule. There was a reason that the US was founded as a republic, not as a democracy.
Politicians to day are increasing their own power by using the "hyena vote" to steal the "cheetah's well-earned dinner" through taxation. So are you for this theft or against it? Because you seem to be reducing this to some theoretical argument for against "the government's right to "gun ownership" (taxation), at a time that the government is pointing that loaded weapon straight at our heads in order to starve us and feed the hyenas.
I don't think you are getting my point. It appears that the Federal Reserve answers to no one, with the possible exception of POTUS, and they are in the process of doing incalculable harm right now.
You are sorely mistaken if you think that I am one of the gold bugs or gloom and doomers that seem to frequent this place. I understand the necessity for a Federal Reserve. I do not see the necessity to nationalize our banks and businesses. Yes it may be inevitable but that doesn't make it right.
Nor are they nationalizing our banks, they are instead keeping them private and alive. Nor is the treasury even, which is not the Fed, nationalizing our banks. Fannie, Freddie, AIG perhaps, but those are not banks. Nor is any of that side of it being done by the Fed, but by the treasury with direct authority to do so, before and after the fact, by congress, which in case everyone just forgot, voted for every particle of it immediately prior to a closely contested election, at which all the people got their say, too.
You just don't like how other men are using their freedom in all of that. You want your slander to rule them. It doesn't, it only makes you beneath contempt for anyone with the slightest sense of justice.
You can't win this. The entire attempt is inexcusable.
There is nothing “limited and enumerated” about this government anymore. Nor me either...
Pretty much, yeah.
You do realize you're quite mad, don't you? I mean stark raving, gibbering, slobbering, completely lost touch with reality mad.
So you favor more government intervention into the already dying economy? Excuse me, Mr. Obambi, but that’s how we got to this point already. And you favor more of the same? Get REAL.
Then how much has Bernanke spent buying both Agency and Treasury Bonds? But the trillion dollar question is how much has the Federal Reserve lent out and to who. Answer that and I will come over to your side.
its policies are doing no harm at all and considerable good,
LOL That is why the Fed got its butt handed to it last week when it tried and failed to lower long term interest rates? Hyperinflation harms everyone.
Nor is the treasury even, which is not the Fed, nationalizing our banks. Fannie, Freddie, AIG perhaps, but those are not banks.
Next you will be trying to tell me that Citibank isn't a bank and that they just thumbed their nose to Obama when he told them not to buy that jet? And that Geithner isn't a tax cheat? Talk about living in a alternate reality.
You just don't like how other men are using their freedom in all of that.
I don't like how they are devaluing our money as we speak.
You want your slander to rule them.
Where have I slandered them? Put up or shut up goes the saying.
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