Posted on 06/04/2009 9:53:36 AM PDT by Bokababe
...Cavuto's regular panel of guests is arguably the most libertarian one can find anywhere in the "mainstream media," regularly featuring Jonathan Hoenig, Peter Schiff, and even Yaron Brook, President of the Ayn Rand Institute.
That night, the auto company bailouts were again on the docket, and familiar arguments were made by Hoenig and the other panelists about why the results would be worse if the government took control of the auto industry. Cavuto's token panelist from the left2 (a female panelist whose identity I have been unable to verify), made the now also-familiar argument that "we bailed out Wall Street and now Main Street is demanding that the government do something for them." Most of the panelists answered correctly that they were against the Wall Street bailouts as well, a point that was left unemphasized due to several people talking at once. However, the real chance for a meaningful debate still lay ahead. The boisterous Cody Willard set the stage when he said, "If you want to help them, send them your money, but don't hold a gun to my head."
The reply from the panelist arguing the liberal perspective was monumental:
"That's why we have a democratically-elected government and the people want the government to do something."
When she gave that answer, it was time to stop the quips, the witticisms, and even delay going to a commercial, if necessary. Despite the fact that the host trivialized the exchange by talking over part of both her and Willard's comments, the exchange between the two was enormous beyond what most viewers probably realized....
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Ping!!!
Does anyone here really understand the implications of this statement?
I doubt it.
Once mob rule takes over, any sort of brutality is possible -- and even legally sanctioned.
Like bailing water out of a leaking row boat, the only bailing that needs doing is the White House and Congress. Now that’s a bailout I could support! :)
unfettered democracy not unfettered capitalism is what brought us to this point...
Democracy is Mobocracy...Tyranny by the majority.
It’s coming. War is coming.
and none too soon.
That’s the real choice, isn’t it? Either we rise up and destroy the wrecking crew in Washington AND their enablers, or it’s down into Orwell’s world. Or worse.
I prefer John Galt’s methods.
Yes individuals have inalienable rights, but never been taxed isn't one of them. Nor is never paying for anything they did not will themselves.
You can make a case for auto bailouts being bad, because they are - when instead you try to make the case that the banking bailout was bad too, you don't increase your consistency you just lose contact with reality, but that is another matter - but when instead you make the case that democratic control of any power of the purse is fundamentally evil, your brains have fallen out.
It is like saying Hitler was evil because he loved dogs. It just isn't the problem. It is hopelessly, cluelessly stuck in an ideological bubble of unreality, and attacking something utterly normal that everyone rightly supports. No, that doesn't mean Hitler isn't evil, it means you are stupid.
That won’t work today.
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. — Thomas Jefferson”
Nice quote. I like the one, although no one can really pin down who said it, that states, “Democracy has been defined as two wolves and a sheep discussing plans for lunch.”
The reply? “Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”
It seems to me that the auto bailout is trivial compared to the banking bailout. The ones who have lost touch with reality are the members of the Federal Reserve. They are tossing trillions of dollars around with virtually no oversight or accountability at all.
On second thought maybe you are right, none of this seems real anymore.
In the corporeal world, the Fed exists and is an entirely legitimate institution with grave responsibilities. And your ideology is nothing but a pipe dream between your ears.
Are we getting any clearer yet about what the word "reality" means?
Although I am not the person you originally posted to, I will say that the banking bailouts clearly were bad. Bad policy and bad precedent. Anyone who defends the banking bailout has no right to criticize welfare dependency, because the bailouts were an example of the welfare-warfare statist menality.
I’ll take it a bit further.
Legally sanctioned and protected, RACE BASED brutality.
We’re seeing the beginnings of it already. Crimes by black muslims are being downplayed, dismissed, and/or pardoned.
Democracy is just another version of “might makes right”,
whether the might comes from superior strength, superior weaponry, or 51% of the vote.
Yea.
"It’s coming. War is coming."
Yes, sure looks like it if the author's even close to predicting the next phase.
War's --of some kind-- apparently the only way this *thing* can, or will be stopped given the fact our constitution's been rendered meaningless.
So be it.
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