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To: VaBthang4
once the Republican Governor of Hawaii (the authority on the subject) said that the certicifate was authentic and would remain private (as the law prescribes), then it was a done issue.

And it was a done issue even if he really was born somewhere else, because neither the Constitution nor any subsequent legislation spells out any standard of proof for whether someone is a "natural born citizen", and it's an inherently a fuzzy issue, as evidenced by McCain's birth outside the country.

As I've noted on a couple of those threads, most people really don't KNOW where they were born. They know what they've been told by their families, and they know what the government of the state they think they were born in says, but that's it. Any birth certificate could actually be someone else's -- they don't contain any biometric information (though I think some states now do a footprint, but it's not universal, and certainly there is no federal requirement that states do tha;, and if a newborn is born at home and then quickly brought into a hospital, the footprint would be the same whether the birth actually occurred in the US or a few miles over the border).

I THINK I was born in Washington DC, but a good conspiracy theorist could make a strong case for Indonesia, which is where (if what I've always been told is true) I was conceived. In my case, my parents are both still living, and they were in Indonesia as US federal government employees, and returned to the US at the ends of their tours of duty at federal government expense, shortly before my birth, so in my case, pretty definitive proof could probably be dug up if necessary. But that's not so for many people, and even for me, would be a ludicrous waste of time and expense.

I'm sure we've got many thousands of people currently living in the US who honestly believe they were born here, but who were actually born in Mexico -- their parents tell them so as soon as they're old enough to ask, so that they won't accidentally spill the beans while they and their parents are living here illegally, and then they never get told the truth. And we have no way to prove it (nor do they themselves have any way to find out for sure). THAT is what we should be worried about. Not whether one guy who won the Presidency by a large margin, and who has clearly been in the US since childhood, can prove beyond any shadow of doubt that he was born in the US.

53 posted on 06/10/2009 12:51:23 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
"And it was a done issue even if he really was born somewhere else..."

Wrong answer.

Regardless, I've made my point.

55 posted on 06/10/2009 12:57:07 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (He Who Watches over Israel will Neither Slumber nor Sleep.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
And it was a done issue even if he really was born somewhere else...

So we should ignore the U.S. Constitution and forget about having a requirement regarding birth any longer. Well, I'm glad to have that judicial ruling. LOL

56 posted on 06/10/2009 1:02:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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