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Darwin-Only Advisors Hunker Down to Re-Strategize
CEH ^ | June 12, 2009

Posted on 06/13/2009 9:29:28 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: gscc
Volumes can be written about what early proponents of Darwinism believed and has proven wrong.

Give me an example. Thanks.

181 posted on 06/13/2009 3:51:42 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts
Right! Random processes plus survival did it. End of discussion.

Wrong. Scientists are continually working on advances. Scientists never consider that discussion should end.

182 posted on 06/13/2009 3:53:03 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

May 1, 2009

The fossilized leg of an 80-million-year-old duck-billed dinosaur has yielded the oldest known proteins preserved in soft tissue—including blood vessels and other connective tissue as well as perhaps blood cell proteins—a new study says.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090501-oldest-dinosaur-proteins.html


183 posted on 06/13/2009 3:58:46 PM PDT by gscc
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To: ColdWater

Even more so for Creation/ID Scientists, as each new discovery is far better explained by design and purpose.


184 posted on 06/13/2009 3:59:09 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: gscc

“Please find me one scientist that has in the past postulated that soft tissue could survive 80,000,000 years - 1,000,000. You will not be able to do so.”

—I’d already told you in a previous post that scientists were postulating precisely that and it’s what inspired Crichton to write Jurassic Park. New technology such as PCR was developed in the 80’s which led to some exciting predictions that we could find bits of dna, which were too small to find before, in some well preserved bones or amber.

It’s much harder to find sources from that time now (the web wasn’t around then heh), but a quick search brought up George Poinar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Poinar,_Jr.

He wrote a book called “Life in Amber”, where he claimed to have gotten 125 million year old dna using pcr - but that’s pretty much discredited now as being tainted with modern dna (a big problem with pcr).

Despite the excitement of 20 years ago, we haven’t gotten any dna that old so far, so instead scientists are looking for proteins which last much longer - and then trying to extrapolate from the protein as to what dna produced it.


185 posted on 06/13/2009 4:14:12 PM PDT by goodusername
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To: Ken H
That sounds like the Pope is on a "dangerous precipice"

Worry about your own dangerous precipice - you can't use the Pope as an excuse when you meet The Almighty at The Judgment. You'll be on your own.

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

YOU, however, follow Darwin's, et al (man's) scriptures/writings/view w/not much foresight regarding eternity. Your next breath is only by the grace of God. Where you spend eternity is up to you. You were given a choice - believe God which means following His Word or follow/believe man.

Good vs. evil - God's Word vs. Evolution - The Almighty vs. a mere mortal - Supernatural vs. natural - Truth vs. Deception/lies. Satan is the father of lies who has come to rob, kill and destroy - Jesus came to give you life, eternal life.
186 posted on 06/13/2009 4:14:50 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: ColdWater
Scientists never consider that discussion should end.

And it will never end in this lifetime. No one can understand all the things of God but man's ego/pride and deception keeps him going. God didn't call us to 'understand' but believe. He made us and knows what we are capable of. The natural mind trying to understand the supernatural is so prideful and arrogant. In his own sight, man thinks he is so wise.
187 posted on 06/13/2009 4:28:06 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
The natural mind trying to understand the supernatural is so prideful and arrogant.

Uh, it is not about understanding the supernatural but about understanding the natural.

188 posted on 06/13/2009 4:30:18 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: gscc
I will address that to anyone that asks. God is the lone judge of a man's heart.

So what is your answer to my question:

Do you agree or disagree that the author quoted by GGG in #94 was referring to damnation when he spoke of "woe" for their "unbelief", and that they were standing on a "dangerous precipice"?

189 posted on 06/13/2009 4:47:06 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: ColdWater

At that natural was made supernaturally.


190 posted on 06/13/2009 5:11:21 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: ColdWater; gscc
4. Doesn't believe in the traditional literal interpretation of the Bible.

What "traditional literal interpretation of the Bible"?

Where do you get the delusion that a literal interpretation of the Bible is traditional?

Whose tradition? Which church or denomination?

191 posted on 06/13/2009 5:22:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ColdWater; RFEngineer; GodGunsGuts; gscc

LOL!!! Not *ouch* but ROTFLOL!!!

It’s just so amusing to see how the evos think that they have creationists pegged.

I guess the only reason it would be *ouch* is from laughing so hard at the stereotypes that evos like to perpetuate in order to disparage ANY belief in God, or a creator, or anything that might give religious belief any credibility.


192 posted on 06/13/2009 5:27:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
stereotypes that evos like to perpetuate

Uh, it is the YECrs that perpetuate the stereotypes; every time they post.

193 posted on 06/13/2009 5:30:17 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; GodGunsGuts
Scientists never consider that discussion should end.

But they do when it comes to the ToE.

194 posted on 06/13/2009 5:33:40 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
But they do when it comes to the ToE.

Come on. You are smart enough to know that is not true.

195 posted on 06/13/2009 5:34:37 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
Uh, it is the YECrs that perpetuate the stereotypes; every time they post.

That must make you a YECer based on this comment you just made.

196 posted on 06/13/2009 5:36:21 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: presently no screen name
Note - here is the full quote you were responding to, with the part you left out in bold:

That sounds like the Pope is on a "dangerous precipice", as defined by the author quoted in your post. Again, what is that "dangerous precipice", if not damnation?

Worry about your own dangerous precipice -

Why did you omit the bolded part? The full quote shows that my point was concerning the meaning of the author's words quoted in GGG's #94, and not whether I was worried about the Pope going to Hell.

You should keep the following in mind if you decide to twist things:

Rev.21 [8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

197 posted on 06/13/2009 5:37:25 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: ColdWater

When evos say that evolution is a fact and slander anyone who disagrees with it, for all practical purposes, they have established that the discussion is at an end.


198 posted on 06/13/2009 5:38:13 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: gscc

“I have provided two links to attest to the finding of blood vessels.”

No, they did not attest to finding actual blood vessels, but I don’t expect you to know, nor understand the difference


199 posted on 06/13/2009 5:52:13 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Ken H

The precipice they are standing on is disbelief in the Word of God. This will ultimately lead to unbelief which almost all Christian denominations will admit will lead to a separation from God through eternity. For myself this is a dangerous precipice that I would not care to walk out onto.


200 posted on 06/13/2009 5:55:24 PM PDT by gscc
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