Posted on 06/24/2009 10:54:57 PM PDT by neverdem
“Stanley Ann Dunham had sent her a post-card from a ship. In February. 1961. Imagine that. “
Look around while you’re here FRED is fantastic!
How about a ship board marriage....Think I may have seen where the burials at sea are in the achives ....how about the marriages...
Guy my computer is just too slow to do deep investigation (hope to get a dish for it soon $$$)
Marriage and then a nice cruise for the honeymoon....
Shipboard marriage? The Black Star Line, established by Nkrumah had some 14 cargo ships that initially carried mostly cocoa to ports around the world.
Back aways there are a couple of stories how certain ships from the Line carried people from the US to Ghana. I don’t know when that started, the shipping line brochure is dated 1965, and the ‘Afram River’ is quoted as making her maiden voyage in the ‘early sixties’ - notice, Malcolm X brother met the ship on one occasion. He is described as the son of ‘Garveyites’ - after Marcus Garvey.
Ghana ‘gained’ independence in 1957. One of the first acts by Nkrumah was to re-establish the Black Star Line. Cargo ships from the line departing from the US side of the Great Lakes would have crossed the Atlantic heading back to Ghana.
IMO she was on her own. Pregnant.Banished to Ghana.
One VERY important tidbit not included in the Post #7170 regarding the NEVER BEFORE RELEASED Susan Blake interview:
Susan Blake said, then retracted, that she received a post card from Stanley (Ann Dunham) from a ship in February or March of 1961. When asked where it was headed, she said she did not know. Immediately in the next breath, Blake said she was just guessing about the ship. Then she also said that instead of a postcard, it was a actually a letter from Ann in Spring of 1961, stating she had been married and was expecting a baby, but didn't remember from where the letter was sent.
This information about the ship came about two-thirds the way in the interview. By this point, the interviewer had also been told that Ann said she was on her way out to Boston in August 1961 -- a year before Obama SR started attending Harvard -- and quite frankly, he began to think Blake was making things up “on the fly”. Because the interviewer was already dismissing parts of her statements by this point, and then she retracted this, he didn't think much of it (neither did I at the time). That's when the interviewer asked the "money question" about Obama's citizenship, and she hung up.
To add to this concept of a ship ride to Kenya, here's this from Michael Patrick Leahy book, “What Does Barack Obama Believe?” when he interviewed Blake in August 2008: "If Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, there is no indication that Barack Obama Senior was present at the birth of his third child. Stanley Ann's high school classmate Susan Blake had the impression that he was not there, and may not even have been on the island of Hawaii at the time..."
The address on the famed Honolulu Advertiser Obama birth announcement, 6085 Kalaniaole Hwy, is 15 miles from the University of Hawaii campus. It was an expensive area of the island, in an area not populated by students (as owning and operating a car on Hawaii was/is expensive).
Also, accounts indicate that Obama SR's family wasn't happy upon learning about Ann. They were said to be upset, in addition to other reasons, that he was not honoring the dowry of 14 cows given to Keiza's family when he married her in January 1957.
IF Barack was still in Kenya if he and Ann took a boat ride there in Feb-Mar 1961, and Ann decided to leave once she was permitted to do so after the baby was born, that could explain this part of the story about a possible ship-ride to Kenya, as well as a flight back to Washington state three weeks after Obama JR's birth (perhaps via Hawaii en route to file a Kenyan BC).
Although Ann’s mom found Obama Sr “bright”, neither she nor Ann’s father approved of the relationship.
If she was in Kenya until immediately after birth, yet too ashamed to come back home to her parents in Hawaii, tail tucked with a baby, perhaps given hush money by Obama Sr’s tribe, she’d likely go to the next best place. Where she grew up as a teen and had some friends — Seattle.
Did you know that even today you can board a cargo ship via Chicago from Lake Michigan and head across the Atlantic Ocean...
http://greencouple.com/2009/02/04/extreme-green-travel-by-cargo-ship/
And in 1964, look who met a Black Star Line ship:
....Some elder Detroit black nationalists recall the visit of a Black Star steamship in August 1964. Malcolm X’s eldest brother, the late Wilfred Little Shabazz, himself a son of Garveyites, told the author of his pride at meeting the ship’s captain and posing for photographs, one of which appeared in Now, a black nationalist magazine published by Detroit attorney Milton Henry.
http://afgen.com/kwame_nkrumah.html
To add to this concept of a ship ride to Kenya, here's this from Michael Patrick Leahy book, “What Does Barack Obama Believe?” when he interviewed Blake in August 2008: "If Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, there is no indication that Barack Obama Senior was present at the birth of his third child. Stanley Ann's high school classmate Susan Blake had the impression that he was not there, and may not even have been on the island of Hawaii at the time..."
Methinks it was STANLEY ANN DUNHAM who was NOT in Hawaii at the time...
Also, accounts indicate that Obama SR's family wasn't happy upon learning about Ann. They were said to be upset, in addition to other reasons, that he was not honoring the dowry of 14 cows given to Keiza's family when he married her in January 1957.
Obama Sr was born in 1936, IIRC. He left school in 1953 when he was 17. At 18 he was married to Kezia. That would make it 1954. They had a son. Kezia was again pregnant we are told, when Obama Sr left Kenya.
Dowry of 14 cows in 1957 sounds like whoever wrote this thinks we are idiots who will swallow anything.
This is where Obama Sr went to school:
The students were taught sciences, art and technical subjects, including carpentry and tailoring. Otula says Obama Sr went straight to the US from Maseno, to start his academic tour. He later married an American woman, the mother of Senator Obama.
What? No one told him about the tribal marriage, the 14 cows...?
To add to this concept of a ship ride to Kenya, here's this from Michael Patrick Leahy book, “What Does Barack Obama Believe?” when he interviewed Blake in August 2008: "If Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, there is no indication that Barack Obama Senior was present at the birth of his third child. Stanley Ann's high school classmate Susan Blake had the impression that he was not there, and may not even have been on the island of Hawaii at the time..."
Methinks it was STANLEY ANN DUNHAM who was NOT in Hawaii at the time...
Also, accounts indicate that Obama SR's family wasn't happy upon learning about Ann. They were said to be upset, in addition to other reasons, that he was not honoring the dowry of 14 cows given to Keiza's family when he married her in January 1957.
Obama Sr was born in 1936, IIRC. He left school in 1953 when he was 17. At 18 he was married to Kezia. That would make it 1954. They had a son. Kezia was again pregnant we are told, when Obama Sr left Kenya.
Dowry of 14 cows in 1957 sounds like whoever wrote this thinks we are idiots who will swallow anything.
This is where Obama Sr went to school:
The students were taught sciences, art and technical subjects, including carpentry and tailoring. Otula says Obama Sr went straight to the US from Maseno, to start his academic tour. He later married an American woman, the mother of Senator Obama.
What? No one told him about the tribal marriage, the 14 cows...?
Something tells me this thread is destined for thousands of posts, eventually. And we sure need it, too.
thanks, that’s why I keep adding to it. I am looking ahead.
Here’s my Motto:
If we don’t know the past, we cannot understand the present nor predict the future.
excerpts:
...Mboya probably made things worse for himself by the clinical and ruthless methods to consign his nemesis, Odinga, to political oblivion. Mboya played a key part in watering down the Independence Constitution to concentrate powers in the presidency.
The manoeuvres did not stop with the Constitution. For instance, Mboya proposed a new Kanu structure in which the party would have eight vice-presidents, one from each of the country’s eight province.
This amendment sailed through and effectively wiped out the power base of Odinga, then the party vice-president. Jaramogi resigned. But Mboya’s craftiness did not end there...
"...He led the first-ever delegation of Luo elders, businessmen and intellectuals to visit Kenyatta at State House, Nairobi. A memorandum was presented to the president assuring him of their loyalty to his leadership.
"There are too many careless and reckless statements abroad and here, branding all Luos supporters of KPU and hence anti-Government. What you see here, your Excellency, are the true leaders of the Luo," Mboya said.
Another constitutional amendment, this time in Parliament, requiring that any candidate who changed political parties seek fresh mandate from the people, swiftly sailed through.
Many people believed that Mboya was being groomed by Kenyatta as a potential successor, a possibility that worried the ruling elite. When Mboya suggested in Parliament that a number of Kikuyu politicians, including members of Kenyatta’s extended family, were enriching themselves at the expense of other Kenyans, the situation became highly charged.
On July 5 1969, Mboya was slain and the assassin was Kikuyu. This pushed animosity between the Kikuyu and Luo to a new high.
Allegations linking the assassin to prominent Government officials were dismissed, and in the ensuing political turmoil, Kenyatta banned the opposition party, KPU, and arrested Odinga, the leader.
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...On a hot July weekend nearly 40 years ago, Barack Obama Sr. was shopping on a busy Nairobi street when he ran into his friend and mentor Tom Mboya, one of Kenya's most charismatic political leaders. The two chatted for several minutes and Obama kidded him that his car was illegally parked.
"I told him, 'You are parked on a yellow line. You will get a ticket," Obama, the late father of the US presidential candidate, would later testify, according to press accounts at the time. And then the two men parted.
Minutes later, Mboya was shot twice and died in a pool of blood. It was a crime that convulsed the newly independent nation and would, in Obama's eyes, trigger a steep decline in his own promising career. Then 33, and a freshly minted government economist, he testified in the ensuing trial, an act which probably enraged those responsible for Mboya's assassination.
Obama, according to one friend, was convinced he had been targeted for murder after his testimony.
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Kenya: LUCAS MBOYA. WHO KILLED MY FATHER?
excerpt:
"When my late father died I was I had been on God’s good earth for 21 months. As I grew up I had to grope my way around trying to find out who my father was and why he had been killed. Answers I got ranged from ‘he was a criminal and CIA agent’, to ‘he was next in line for the Presidency’, which I do now believe was the case. What I would like to do now is explore the real reason why Tom Mboya was killed and by whom. I will for legal reasons make many references to a book, ‘Tom Mboya, The Man Kenya Wanted to Forget”, David Goldsworthy. My goal is to first get Kenyans to understand that I believe my fathers’ death was the point in Kenyas’ history that the two most influential tribes parted, both publicly and permanently and this acrimony has been the root cause of most of the political problems Kenya has had to date...
As a Nairobi bureaucrat, Barack Hussein Obama Sr. advised the pro-Western Kenyan government there to "redistribute" income through higher taxes. He also demonized corporations and called for massive government "investment" in social programs.
Writing in a 1965 scholarly paper, Obama's late father slammed the administration of then-President Jomo Kenyatta for moving the Third World country away from socialism toward capitalism. He chafed at the idea of relying on private investors — who earn "dividends" on their venture capital — to develop the country's fledgling economy.
"What is more important is to find means by which we can redistribute our economic gains to the benefit of all," said the senior Obama, a Harvard-educated economist. "This is the government's obligation." The "means" he had in mind were confiscatory taxes on a scale that redefines the term "progressive taxation."
"Theoretically," he wrote, "there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed."
Therefore, he added, "I do not see why the government cannot tax those who have more and syphon some of these revenues into savings which can be utilized in investment for future development."...
"One who has read Marx cannot fail to see that corporations are not only what Marx referred to as the advanced stage of capitalism," he wrote. "But Marx even called it finance capitalism by which a few would control the finances of so many, and through this, have not only economic power but political power as well."
excerpt:
Today, globalization is becoming the catchword for universal progress among Europeans. There is a growing realization among people of color worldwide of the attempt at globalization of the color line to facilitate that socalled progress. This is true not only in North America but also throughout Europe-and wherever Europe's kith and kin rule; neofacist, racist formations and sentiments proliferate; violence and arson are perpetrated against people of color; and wholesale anti-immigration moves to are made to dominate the political landscape. All go unreported by the U.S. media to the American people. Europe and North America are responding in the only way they know to a growing challenge to their hegemony from the developing world of people of color, which totals some fourfifths of humanity. Du Bois believed in democracy If we believe in democracy we must know, whatever the struggle, the outcome is inevitable.
David G. Du Bois is president and CEO of the WE.B. Du Bois Foundation Inc., and visiting professor of journalism / Afro-American Studies, University of Massachusetts, Amherst.
Obituary: David G. DuBois, retired Afro-American Studies and Journalism scholar
David Graham DuBois, 79, of Amherst, retired visiting professor of Afro-American Studies and Journalism, died Jan. 28 at Cooley Dickinson Hospital after a brief illness.
He was March 9, 1925 in Seattle, Wash., and grew up in African Methodist Episcopal church parsonages around the state of Indiana under the guidance of his maternal grandparents, the Rev. David A. Graham and Etta Bell Graham.
He attended Oberlin Conservatory of Music before serving in the armed forces during World War II. Following the war, he graduated in 1950 from Hunter College with a degree in sociology.
In 1951, his mother, Shirley Graham, married African-American theorist and historian W.E.B. Du Bois and soon after he legally became David Graham DuBois.
After graduate work at the New York School of Social Work at Columbia University, DuBois earned an M.A. in history from New York University in 1956.
Following a year’s study in Chinese language at Peking University, DuBois took up residence in Cairo, Egypt in 1960. He lectured in American literature at Cairo University and served as news editor of the English language daily, The Egyptian Gazette. DuBois also was a reporter and features editor for the Middle East News and Features Service agency, an announcer and program writer for Radio Cairo’s shortwave English language transmissions to North America, and a public relations consultant to the government of Ghana under President Kwame Nkrumah.
In 1972, DuBois returned to the U.S. where he lectured in African-American studies at the school of criminology at the University of California, Berkeley. From 1973-75, he was editor-in-chief of The Black Panther, the weekly newspaper of the Black Panther Party published in Oakland, California.
In 1973, his novel “And Bid Him Sing,” was published by Rampart Press. The book was based on the experiences of African-Americans in Egypt in the period leading up to the 1967 Mideast war.
DuBois returned to Egypt in 1977 and made Cairo his second home. In 1983, he was appointed a visiting professor of Afro-American studies and journalism at UMass Amherst, where he taught each spring semester until his retirement in 2001.
He was the founding president of the W.E.B. Du Bois Foundation, Inc., honoring his step-father, a member of the management committee of the W.E.B. Du Bois Memorial Centre for Pan-African Culture located in Accra, Ghana, and a member of the Council of the China-Du Bois Study Centre located in Beijing.
A memorial service will be held Sunday, Feb. 27, 2-5 p.m. in the Lincoln Campus Center Auditorium.
February 1, 2005.
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Joshua DuBois: Obama's Pastor-in-Chief
Obama has charged DuBois — who will lead a council of 25 influential religious and nonprofit leaders — with helping both faith-based and secular groups galvanize their communities by providing everything from social services to job training.
• Born in Bar Harbor, Me. and raised in Nashville, Tenn. and Xenia, Ohio. DuBois' stepfather is a minister in the African Methodist Episcopal Church; his grandmother took part in the 1960 Nashville sit-ins
Thanks, Fred Nerks.
Check out Post #155 Ping
Henry Louis Gates, Jr.
Alphonse Fletcher University Professor
Director of the W. E. B. Du Bois Institute for
African and African American Research
Address:
Harvard University W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Studies
Catching up here... Excellent thread, and it was desperately needed - at least for myself! LOL
I noticed you made a brief mention of Maya Angelou (living in Harlem for a time before marrying the African man). I read an autobiography of Maya’s that I picked up at the thrift store — only got 3/4 of the way through when I realized how incredibly socialist/communist she really is and couldn’t force myself to read through to the end... This is all from memory, and I’d have to find the books to give you names... And, there is much more than I can explain here, too...
A few things I remember — how she described meeting Louis Farrakhan, how she remembered lavish parties attended by various “leaders” when married to the African guy and living in Cairo. How enamoured she and her friends all were with Fidel Castro and the Cuban Revolution, etc...
As I said there are many names, and dates in that book. If I can find it readily I will scan back through it...
However, it is important to note here the modern tie-in — Oprah is a devotee of Maya Angelou (I would suspect it’s like a mother-daughter relationship in many ways). AND, we all know how exciting Obama’s candidacy and presidency is for Oprah. There are probably even more tie-ins via the women of ALL of these men in question as well.
Thanks for all the hard work on this thread — back to reading through the posts! :)
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