More questions about Barack Obama's birth certificate, still

LA Times ^ | 6/30/09 | Andrew Malcom

[ckilmer]

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually.)

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. Interestingly, recently both WorldNetDaily and DailyKos have reported that a copy of Obamas Kenyan Birth Certificate is on sale at ebay by an accredited seller. For more google references to the seller see colmado_naranja Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts. Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

[bootless]

Glad he's covering it, at least. However...

No less an authority on politics, history and government archives than the Pat Boone ...

Any copy editors left at the Times?

[Two Kids' Dad]

Limbaugh needs to start up a competing auction website and allow the document to be offered up in whatever way the seller wants. The web exposure of that one sale will make his site take off in the same way that the Lewinsky affair launched Drudge into worldwide fame.

He can link to it from his rushlimbaugh.com website and promote it with his newsletter and his radio program. It could get absolutely huge!

[Two Kids' Dad]

Please don’t flame Pissant. He/she is one of the good guys.

Thanks.

[john mirse]

Could someone please help?

1. I've noticed that some national writers refer to a President Kennedy murder conspiracy when they talk about the issue of Obama's Hawaii birth certificate.

2. So, could someone please explain how writers see a similarity between the President Kennedy conspiracy theory and Obama's birth certificate mess?

3. As I understand it, the President Kennedy conspiracy theory goes something like this: Oswald did not act alone. The CIA was involved.

Or. the Mafia was involved.

Or. the Russian secret police was involved.

Or, then Vice-President Johnson was involved. Or, the FBI was involved.

And on and on.

4. However, when it comes to the Obama born-in-America issue, all I want Obama to do is this: Give the government of Hawaii permission to release his long form birth certificate---the one with the doctor and birth hospital names on it---and his short form birth certificate to the public.

5. Remember, I don't want the Obama camp to release such birth certificates, because I don't trust Obama's camp at all. I want the State of Hawaii to do it.

6. Again, could someone please explain to me how and why pro-Obama people say that asking Obama to allow Hawaii to release his long form birth certificate is the same as claiming that President Kennedy's murder was a conspiracy, because I don't see any similarities at all. Thanks.

[pissant]

You don’t see any similarities because there aren’t any.

[Wooly]

I think that the one on E-Bay has been sold, I just got an Email from Mr. Peter Khumalo Tel: +27731049023 asking me for assistance with a Funds Transfer.

[Miss Behave]

Release the tapes, LA Times.

[Miss Behave]

Thread bump.

[real_patriotic_american]

You can’t change the rules after game starts.

Suppose celebrity Republicans Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who was born in Austria and singer Gloria Estefan, who was born in Cuba, chose to run for President.
They would be prevented from doing so since per Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, one must be a natural born citizen of the United States to hold office as President. Their births in Austria and Cuba would not be considered natural born citizenship.

A case might be made that Barack Obama knew that he was not eligibile to serve as President since he’s probably not a natural born citizen. Consequently, he forged a “Certification of Live Birth” (COLB) and advertised it to the American people as authentic.

Dr. Ron Polarik analyzed Obama’s COLB and determined it to be a forgery. I firmly agree with him. The enclosed link provides Polarik’s article and displays the alleged forged document while pointing out altered numbers and discrepancies, etc.:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts

It is a felony to forge a government document and there could be a multitude of felony counts contained here against Obama.

Dr. Polarik has also indicated that he will update this report.

We the American people have the right to know if our President is eligible to hold office. For many, Obama has not proven this requirement.

Obama, I ask, WHERE were you born in Hawaii? Prove it! Where is your original birth certificate? Where?

The authorities MUST enforce the Constitution and require Obama to prove that he is a natural born American citizen. Action on this case is past due! If the Constitution were not going to be enforced, Schwarzenegger or Estefan could have been on the Republican ticket in 2008. What law permits the Democrats special privileges?
In closing, our past Presidents have Birthplace Museums. Just to name a few, Ronald Reagan has a Birthplace Museum in Tampico, Illinois and Bill Clinton has a Birthplace Museum in Hope, Arkansas where they were born. Where will Barack Obama’s Birthplace Museum be located- at the Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya?

[nufsed]

Can you tell me if there is anything to the “travel-to-Pakistan-while-it was-prohibted issue and direct me to a poster or the information about that?

[Tellurian]

This travel advisory from 1981 referred to by this opposition source (enter at your own risk), and a 1981 travel article (warning: NY Times ) also referred, is evidence that passage into airports in Pakistan with a US passport was not banned at that time (for tourists). Only overland travel (NYT) was prohibited.

[nufsed]

Thanx