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Presentments filed in D.C.! (re: Obama, Citizen's Grand Jury)
RiseUpForAmerica ^ | 7/1/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 07/01/2009 9:34:56 AM PDT by rxsid

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Are you honestly questioning if this administration will bother to do anything about non-legally binding accusations? They barely bother with the legal accusations.
21 posted on 07/01/2009 10:06:34 AM PDT by Durus (The People have abdicated our duties and anxiously hopes for just two things, "Bread and Circuses")
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To: rxsid

What’s a “Citizen’s Grand Jury?” Does it have any legal underpinning, or is it just a way for people to puff themselves up?


22 posted on 07/01/2009 10:10:52 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Think free or die; All

Right. Every tea party, every law suit, every grand jury and Larry Sinclair’s book (exposing back seat limo cocaine and sex party with Obama) is a poke in the eye of the Marxist/Muslim usuper. Death by a thousand paper cuts..


23 posted on 07/01/2009 10:22:21 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: Durus
Does this have any legal merit at all?

Did firing the GM CEO or handing Chrysler to the union goons?

It doesn't matter. We aren't in a "legal" game any longer. This is a pure power game.

24 posted on 07/01/2009 10:24:47 AM PDT by Costumed Vigilante (Congress: When a handful of evil morons just isn't enough)
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To: NorwegianViking; rxsid; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ...
Something must be done to stop the direction and reverse course to where we are headed.... more aid to muslim countries?.... support of communists (Chavez, Castro, Zelaya)?.... this is a nightmare.

~Thanks rxsid.~

25 posted on 07/01/2009 10:25:27 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Durus

None whatsoever. This would be like me demanding you appear before a grand jury consisting of my dog, goldfish and my son’s stuffed bear. You would rightfully laugh yourself silly, as I’m sure some junior lawyer for Obama is doing now.


26 posted on 07/01/2009 10:26:39 AM PDT by Blackacre
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To: Durus
"Does this have any legal merit at all?

As far as I've been able to tell, there is some precedence for this.

27 posted on 07/01/2009 10:28:17 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Costumed Vigilante

If that’s true then this seems like a big waste of time when more productive things could have been done with the time and money.


28 posted on 07/01/2009 10:34:48 AM PDT by Durus (The People have abdicated our duties and anxiously hopes for just two things, "Bread and Circuses")
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To: Cyber Liberty
The U.S. Constitution mentions the grand jury in Article Five of the Bill of Rights:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or an indictment of a grand jury…

The grand jury served the public in two ways. First, it limited the power of government to prosecute citizens by permitting the grand jury to vote for or against an indictment and second, it had the power to make a presentment. A presentment was a public report of the grand jury’s activity. Through a presentment, the grand jury could make criminal activity known to the public, including criminal conduct committed by government officials, judges, or prosecutors.

It is significant that the grand jury is not part of any of the three branches of the U.S. government—it is a pre-constitutional institution. Washington attorney John H. Clarke wrote in a motion to the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, “Although today the grand jury is more of a prosecutor’s panel, it is still a pre-constitutional institution, and is still a people’s panel, not captive or relegated by the constitution to a position within any branches… and it still serves as a vehicle for effective citizen participation in government.”

Citizens often mistakenly believe that because the grand jury meets at the courthouse it is under the judiciary or because the grand jury meets with a prosecutor it is under the executive branch. It is actually an independent institution adopted by the founders to protect the individual from prosecutorial misconduct.

Full article here:
http://www.dcdave.com/article5/070119.htm

29 posted on 07/01/2009 10:35:41 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Desron13

That’s interesting....


30 posted on 07/01/2009 10:42:14 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: HoustonTech
>> Surely the house will impeach Obama by the end of the month, if not sooner. <<

And we can relax knowing what a fine job Biden will do as CIC.
31 posted on 07/01/2009 10:49:08 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: rxsid

pinged


32 posted on 07/01/2009 10:53:49 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Desron13
It is commonly believed that our government has three branches. In fact it has four, because no citizen can be convicted of a crime without having been heard in two juries, the grand and the petit (trial).

I would suggest that a wide-open area of liberty-oriented activism can be found in educating citizens of their powers and responsibilities when they serve on either jury. A grand jury that is willing to take hold of the power it really has can do a lot of housecleaning.

It is often assumed that juries should not have too much education, lest we have a repeat of the O.J. Simpson verdict. But the role of the jury is really justice, so that a person who is innocent is acquitted and a person who is guilty is convicted.

As we suffer more and more tyranny, we are going to find more citizens who will be arrested for non-crimes. We need to have juries that will refuse to convict, just as we had when citizens who helped runaway slaves were acquitted because of how the Fugitive Slave Act offended liberty.

33 posted on 07/01/2009 10:57:48 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

We need to have every citizen informed on the process of Jury Nullification. Judges will undoubtedly overturn the respective jurists’ findings, but stopping the first few drops of water is easy. Stopping a flood... not quite as easy.


34 posted on 07/01/2009 11:06:58 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: Durus
"Are you honestly questioning if this administration will bother to do anything about non-legally binding accusations? They barely bother with the legal accusations."

The Executive Branch you mean? Of course not.
A few in Congress...perhaps. The Military? Interesting prospect...see below. IMO, at this point, 'media' and 'exposure' are critical. As has been pointed out here, Tea Parties, Lawsuits, Billboard campaigns, Citizens Grand Jury's (largely unknown since the judicial rule of 1946 that for all intents and purposes has usurped the Constitution), etc, etc. will help to bring this issue to the forefront to be dealt with. There are far more people who are aware, and concerned, of his eligibility issues than say...last November. That didn't happen in a vacuum.

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FEDERAL ARREST OF TREASONER OBAMA IS CREDIBLY REPORTED TO OCCUR IN 60 TO 90 DAYS!
(Tuesday, June 30, 2009)

Reports have been coming in for several days that the IMPOSTOR OBAMA will be placed under federal arrest in anywhere from 60 to 90 days for TREASON!
...
Details emerging suggest that military commanders are refusing to obey OBAMA's orders recognizing OBAMA as a TREASONOUS foreign born domestic enemy.[End Quote]

35 posted on 07/01/2009 11:19:13 AM PDT by rxsid
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To: Desron13

Not only that, but despite the vast power of Grand Juries, there is little in the way of Judicial or Legislative response designed to impose some Supervisory Restrictions on them.

How interesting it would be IF the Ebay “dissertation” turns out to be genuine, and submitted before the Grand Juries as evidence...


36 posted on 07/01/2009 11:58:33 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: rxsid

Defenders of the Constitution
37 posted on 07/01/2009 12:04:46 PM PDT by rxsid
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To: rxsid

Bump!


38 posted on 07/01/2009 12:06:30 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences.)
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To: rxsid
Reports have been coming in for several days that the IMPOSTOR OBAMA will be placed under federal arrest in anywhere from 60 to 90 days for TREASON!

No government agency has the Constitutional power to legally arrest a sitting President. The only way to remove a President from office is through impeachment procedures.

What you are basically talking about here is a military coup, which is without precedent in American history.

39 posted on 07/01/2009 12:16:17 PM PDT by Blackacre
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To: Blackacre

Your statement presumes he is a legitimate POTUS, does it not? If he is not a legitimate POTUS...he isn’t POTUS, and therefore could (presumably) be arrested just like anyone else. No?


40 posted on 07/01/2009 12:23:58 PM PDT by rxsid
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