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The US invasion of Iraq: Has it led to feminicide?
http://www.awid.org/eng/Issues-and-Analysis/Library/The-US-invasion-of-Iraq-Has-it-led-to-feminicide2/(language)/eng-GB ^

Posted on 07/07/2009 4:06:26 AM PDT by darkness78

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1 posted on 07/07/2009 4:06:26 AM PDT by darkness78
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To: darkness78

Just imagine how this would have been spun if this had happened on Mitt’s watch....


2 posted on 07/07/2009 4:11:12 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: darkness78

Just another leftist article trashing America’s efforts in Iraq. It doesn’t evev bother addressing the fact that we are locked in a battle with Islamic militants who aren’t exactly known for their strong advocacy of women’s right. Do these people seriously believe that Iraqi women would be better off if we suddenly pulled out and left the country in the hands of the Islamonazis?


3 posted on 07/07/2009 4:29:30 AM PDT by LuxAerterna
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To: LuxAerterna

Yes, that is what they believe. This organization has some sort of relationship to George Soros or one of his foundations. They are mentally ill!


4 posted on 07/07/2009 4:31:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: LuxAerterna

Of course not, it would probably be worse.

The article, may leflist, but at least well documented (which is too rarely the case here) is just pointing out that the women situation in Iraq was better before 2003.

No need to get upset about it.


5 posted on 07/07/2009 4:35:23 AM PDT by darkness78 (y)
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To: darkness78
Before the invasion of their country in 2003, women formed forty per cent of Iraq's public work force. Today, ninety per cent of them are unemployed.

Why do these articles compare apples and oranges to make their point? For all we know, women might still make up 40% of the Iraqi work force, because we don't know what % of men are unemployed. And, we don't know the % of men and women in the society at large. Sloppy, and one can only assume purposely so, as it would be easier to simply state two unemployment rates than to compare unemployment rates from one year to % of work force in another.
6 posted on 07/07/2009 4:52:09 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (we also have the duty to avoid prostituting our Catholic identity by appeals to phony dialogue)
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To: Dr. Sivana; darkness78
We need to know what is meant by "public work force"? Would that be "government employment" or "people who work in public without veils"?

At the same time we know the unemployment rate, in general has declined as the oil and other industries have recovered from the Saddam years.

Most likely the whole piece is Leftwingtard propaganda.

7 posted on 07/07/2009 4:59:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: darkness78

The acceptance of fundamentalist religion probably aided the statistics. People seem to forget that the Communists and Marxists had a lot attraction for the Iraqi population prior to Saddam because those groups were anti-imperialist (the British foisted a Hashemite king upon Iraqis after the First World War; his son was assassinated). As Arab societies went, countries like Iraq and Lebanon were considered pretty modern at one time and therefore women played a greater role.


8 posted on 07/07/2009 5:00:09 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: darkness78
“The invasion has instead led to the
introduction of theocracy.”

Not only women, but also Christians have suffered under Islamic “Democracy”. Muslims are incapable of governing themselves - or anyone else - fairly. They have a socio-political mindset totally alien to modern westerners. Our “experiment” in Iraq will ultimately fail, as will our “experiment” in Afghanistan.

As long as Muslim are Muslims and they follow traditional Islamic Teachings - and I see NO chance of that happening currently - they either create an oppressive Theocracy or a military dictatorship. From the perspective of non-Muslims and women, LESS persecution actually occurs under a military dictatorship.

I said it before and say it again - REMOVING Saddam was wise. Trying to “nation-build” with American dollars and lives was just another manifestation of the Bush Regime's failure to connect with reality. And Obama is doing the same thing in Afghanistan.

MEANWHILE, the country with the BEST prospects for a successful democracy - Iran - continues to suffer under the iron hand of the mullahs while they work on nuclear bombs,
Bush should have used Iraq and Afghanistan as staging areas to attack the Mullahs and support Iranian dissenters, and then pulled out of the area entirely once the Mullahs were toppled from power.

9 posted on 07/07/2009 5:00:37 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: darkness78

Yeah all those rape rooms and people being imprisoned on a whim, their wives and daughters raped to coerce confessions, whole families including babies being shot and shoved into mass graves...yeah women were much better off under Saddam /rolls eyes


10 posted on 07/07/2009 5:02:30 AM PDT by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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MEANWHILE, the country with the BEST prospects for a successful democracy - Iran -

Agreed.

Persians are totally different from Arabs.


11 posted on 07/07/2009 5:12:27 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: visualops

Yeah, Saddam treated women so well...


12 posted on 07/07/2009 5:13:05 AM PDT by Redgirl (I miss George.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge; visualops
Persians are totally different from Arabs.

True. And yet saying that would be racist in an all-ethnic-culture-is-identical-studies class.

13 posted on 07/07/2009 5:28:58 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: LuxAerterna; neverdem; FARS; abb; SandRat
Do these people seriously believe that Iraqi women would be better off if we suddenly pulled out and left the country in the hands of the Islamonazis?

It's MSM press bias. An example:

For instance a cop kills a black criminal in the hood and black "community leaders" and half the reporters in the city flood the zone. One criminal - one death. Big press coverage - lots of outrage.

Second case: black gangs kill 8 innocent blacks in the same neighborhood - community leaders absent - press coverage almost nonexistent.

And what's the difference? The press hates cops - the "one" death allows them to express their hatred for cops who are NOT liberal and don't share their values.

Same with Iraqi women - they are a tool for the press to hit the American military. When our "conservative" American military is out of Iraq the press won't give a flip what happens to those women - or their children - or any Iraqi citizen.

The only time the press cares about people of any country is when they can use those people as an excuse to condemn a Conservatives.

Have you noticed how all that talk about Darfur has disappeared? That's because Darfur was a stick to hit Bush with - now that a liberal's in office those people are history.

14 posted on 07/07/2009 5:30:13 AM PDT by GOPJ (Central park didn't hit 85 degrees in June this year - last time was 1916. Al Gore is nuts.)
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To: darkness78

We all know that without influence from the west, Muslim cultures idolize their women. /sarc


15 posted on 07/07/2009 5:53:22 AM PDT by Spok (Proud father of a Marine in the 1/1.)
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To: darkness78

Hello..polygamy is allowed under sharia law and I am certain many Iraqi Muslims had multiple wives long before the US invasion. I also seriously doubt in a primarily Muslim country that women working outside the home ever constituted 40% of the work force


16 posted on 07/07/2009 6:50:18 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Exactly what I was going to comment on. Not even good spin.
17 posted on 07/07/2009 8:18:51 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

“because we don’t know what % of men are unemployed”

Yes we do know!
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:dm-FIW6BtS0J:www.iauiraq.org/reports/Iraq_Labour_Force_Analysis.pdf+Iraq+unemployement+rate+men+women&cd=3&hl=fr&ct=clnk


18 posted on 07/07/2009 9:18:15 AM PDT by darkness78 (y)
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To: visualops

“Yeah all those rape rooms and people being imprisoned on a whim, their wives and daughters raped to coerce confessions, whole families including babies being shot and shoved into mass graves...yeah women were much better off under Saddam /rolls eyes”

Are you talking about the pathetic Powel’s speech in front of the UN trying to sell this war?

Drawings and cartoons are not enough to make proofs. Saddam was a brutal dictator, eveybody agrees (as well as Pinochet or Castro)! But for your raping rooms and babies mass graves you may need to be more consistent...with some links for example...


19 posted on 07/07/2009 9:22:00 AM PDT by darkness78 (y)
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To: darkness78
Where the heck have you been the last 6 years????
A Harvard study on practices against women during Saddam's rule reported:

"The Iraqi Government uses rape and sexual assault of women to achieve the following goals: to extract information and forced confessions from detained family members; to intimidate Iraqi oppositionists by sending videotapes showing the rape of female family members; and to blackmail Iraqi men into future cooperation with the regime. Some Iraqi authorities even carry personnel cards identifying their official "activity" as the "violation of women's honor."

Amnesty International and other organizations also reported the following violence against women:

"Under the pretext of fighting prostitution, units of ‘Fedayeen Saddam,' the paramilitary organization led by Uday Hussein, Saddam's eldest son, have beheaded in public more than 200 women throughout the country, dumping their severed heads at their families' doorsteps. Many families have been required to display the victim's head on their outside fences for several days. These barbaric acts were carried out in the total absence of any proper judicial procedures and many of the victims were not engaged in prostitution, but were targeted for political reasons. For example, Najat Mohammad Haydar, an obstetrician in Baghdad, was beheaded after criticizing the corruption within health services."

USAID 2004 booklet on Iraqi Mass Graves

97 Photos of Iraqi Mass Graves

If you aren't familiar with Saddam's systematic attempts at exterminating the Kurds use your local neighborhood search engine and witness the photos of hundreds of children, killed by mustard gas and nerve gas.

You must have really been asleep at the wheel the last few years not to be aware of all of this. Even the MSM carried many stories of the cruelty of Saddam's regime. So maybe you are lazy or purposefully obtuse. The information is out there for anyone interested enough to make an effort to not be ignorant.

I need to be more consistent? You make no sense. I've also not got any drawings or cartoons on this thread so again you are talking out of your hat.
20 posted on 07/07/2009 7:24:41 PM PDT by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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