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Air Force Denies Request for Flyover at Christian Festival....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/07/pentagon-denies-god-country-family-fesitval-fly-request/?test=latestnews ^ | July 7th, 2009

Posted on 07/07/2009 9:04:44 PM PDT by TaraP

An Idaho community had secured an Air Force flyover for its local festival every year for more than 40 years, organizers say, but this year, the Air Force turned the request down over the festival's religious focus.

The God and Country Family Festival in Nampa, Idaho, applied to the Pentagon for the flyover but was denied in an e-mail, board member Patti Syme told KTBV. Syme said the e-mail from a defense official informed her the Pentagon prohibited support of special interest groups.

"I called him immediately and just said, you know hey we've been doing this for 42 years, we've had flyovers, what is the problem?" Syme told KTBV. "And he said, well we have looked up your Web site and everything on your Web site seemed to focus on Christianity, ministry booths. And he said, in fact, ma'am it sounds like it focuses on Christianity. And he said, in fact, it would be great to go to, in fact, if I personally, could come I would, but we can't endorse such an endeavor, so they couldn't do the flyover."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antichristian; bhodod; christianheritage; christians; democrat; democrats; flyover; obama; urlisnotthesource; usaf
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To: Rodebrecht
Wait, this isn’t like a Thunderbirds thing, where they fly about spraying red, white, and blue contrails? That’s what I think is a waste of money.

The Thunderbirds and Blue Angels are great recruiting tools. I don't think providing for our future security is a "waste of money." OTOH, the $72 million just sent to Zimbabwe (translate: to Robert Mugabe) most certainly is.

It's a matter of priorities.

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21 posted on 07/07/2009 9:42:29 PM PDT by JCG
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To: TaraP
God bless America!
22 posted on 07/07/2009 9:42:39 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: TaraP
If they are going to do flyovers at all.....they should be available for any gathering of Americans without reference to who the people gathering are. It should not matter if it is a Christian festival, or a Muslim festival, or an atheist festival....what should matter is the size of the gathering of Americans.

By refusing this particular group of Americans, they are discriminating against them. I would say the same in regard to a large gathering of American Muslims.
23 posted on 07/07/2009 9:42:44 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: kingpins10

Well, I do; from an economics and resource allocation perspective. But I appreciate your open-mindedness. Not everyone shares that.


24 posted on 07/07/2009 9:43:21 PM PDT by Air Force Brat
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To: Jet Jaguar

Now THAT is Change!


25 posted on 07/07/2009 9:46:08 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: Arkinsaw
I disagree. They're only "discriminating against them" if they agree to fly over every such gathering except this one. They can't, obviously, from a practical standpoint. Some rationing of time is necessary, and it is completely reasonable and consistent with the Constitution to draw the line at events that favor one particular religious group at the exclusion of others.
26 posted on 07/07/2009 9:47:20 PM PDT by Air Force Brat
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To: zipper

Heh. Yep.


27 posted on 07/07/2009 9:49:16 PM PDT by Air Force Brat
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To: TaraP

God save us from nation destroying morons.

We have become a collection of people that share geography but we are most certainly no longer a nation. The balkanization of the US is complete.


28 posted on 07/07/2009 9:55:33 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Air Force Brat
Well, I do; from an economics and resource allocation perspective. But I appreciate your open-mindedness. Not everyone shares that.

As was pointed out earlier, since AF pilots have to perform constant training missions anyway, a flyover could be one of them -- in part or in total. Further, it's a great recruiting tool and good public relations.

Where it can be done, it should be done.

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29 posted on 07/07/2009 9:56:38 PM PDT by JCG
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To: Air Force Brat
As much as some may want to obtain support for their private religious views, the government has to be careful about endorsing such views.

Yep, as demonstrated by Congress, in the early days after the Revolution, approved the first printing of the English Bible in the states for the espress reason "a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use in schools"... and they then commissioned that printing, and officially endorsed it.

And the early textbooks for public schools - reading primers, that used Bible verses to teach reading.

Or John Jay, President of the Continental Congress during the Revolution, Secretary of State under Washington, and the original chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court who forcefully declared (in his roll as Chief Justice!): Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers; and it is the duty - as well as the privilege and interest - of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.

Or the 1892 U.S. Supreme Court decision that stated "No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people.... This is a Christian nation."

There are so many ways the government needs to avoid looking like it supports any one religion...

30 posted on 07/07/2009 9:57:29 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: TaraP
The Mahdi in Chief disapproves. The festival organizers were lucky they weren't beheaded by the DHS.


A verbis ad verbera

31 posted on 07/07/2009 10:14:10 PM PDT by Costumed Vigilante (Congress: When a handful of evil morons just isn't enough)
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To: TaraP

FREAKING OBOZO DESTROYING AMERICA YET IN ANOTHER WAY!!!
But he sends AF-1 up tp buzz Manhattan with his friends on a scenic joy-ride terrifying Millions of Manhattanites sohis friend George Lucas can get the required movie shots for his Black History Documentary!! OBOZO AND AYERS HATE AMERCA!


32 posted on 07/07/2009 10:15:52 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: Air Force Brat

YO! Thet have been receiving the flyovers for 40 years! Are you so blind that you don’t see the Obozo Message?


33 posted on 07/07/2009 10:18:28 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: Rembrandt

Stupid people say and du stupid things, dont they? Like voting for a KENYAN Dictator and defending the Dictator’s Trashing of Our Proud Military and Our Great Military with commnts like allegely Saving Money on Traditional Flyovers when the Dictator is throwing it away on buying Illegal Votes and supporting Terrorist Murderers and Dictators like IRAN, Chavez, Castro and others:-)


34 posted on 07/07/2009 10:26:33 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: PhiKapMom

AMEN! ZERO TURNING AMERCA INTO THE 58th MUSLIM CALIPHATE!!
When are people going to understand that ZERO declared America isn’t Christian and in the next breath praised America for being MUSLIM!!!


35 posted on 07/07/2009 10:31:47 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: Air Force Brat
I disagree. They're only "discriminating against them" if they agree to fly over every such gathering except this one. They can't, obviously, from a practical standpoint. Some rationing of time is necessary, and it is completely reasonable and consistent with the Constitution to draw the line at events that favor one particular religious group at the exclusion of others.

You missed the point of my post. Religion should play no part in the matter at all, it should not even be considered. It should be based solely on the number of Americans in attendance and the benefit to those Americans having the flyover...and the benefit to the Air Force of being seen by that number of Americans.

By bringing religion into the decision-making process AT ALL they are either discriminating against the concept of religion, or a particular religion. That is why the only factor should be number of Americans.
36 posted on 07/07/2009 10:50:43 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Air Force Brat
You truly do not understand how this country was created!

Get a history education of this country first before spouting your illogical and ill informed ideas.

This country was created from the Start as a Christian nation, by GOD fearing individuals. Get educated and then get back to me.

Your illogical argument is just that----illogical. Please point out to me where any founder of this Great country was a muslim. End of discussion!
37 posted on 07/08/2009 12:08:21 AM PDT by Torquay
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To: Air Force Brat

I’m all for Air Force flyovers at Muslim events. There is some good footage of this up at YouTube and such.

;-P


38 posted on 07/08/2009 12:15:50 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: TaraP

This is the start of the military becoming less the people’s military and more the military of certain interests. I’ll bet there would have been no questions asked of the flyover was requested for a Muslim festival for fear of “offending” them.


39 posted on 07/08/2009 12:16:30 AM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: TheBattman

note no response...probably has no idea what Everson is either..

man, the ignorance and barinwashing amongst many young “conservatives” is scary


40 posted on 07/08/2009 12:25:21 AM PDT by wardaddy (Proudly Anti-Abortion, not and will never be Pro-Life...........Sarah Palin, there is no substitute)
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