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Swim Club Members: "Nothing to Do With Race"
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Posted on 07/09/2009 9:10:48 PM PDT by traumer

The waters were still and the gates locked at the Valley Swim Club Thursday. Board members decided to close the private Huntington Valley, Pa. club for the day as it combats accusations of racism for booting 65 mostly minority day campers from its grounds without explanation late last month.

Creative Steps Day Camp paid The Valley Swim Club more than $1900 for one day of swimming a week, but after the first day, the money was quickly refunded and the campers were told not to return. Several campers said they heard pool members making racial remarks during their time inside the club.

Tempers further flared after the club's president John Duesler issued a statement Tuesday saying "There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club."

Club members, who were at the pool on the day of the incident, came forward Thursday to defend the organization.

"This has nothing to do with race," member Lori Slowinski said. "I paid my money for a private swim club…if they're gonna have it out to camps, then I want my money back."

Jim Flynn went right to the club president after the kids took the plunge into the pool. "I was the first person to talk to the president, because the pool was overcrowded," said Flynn. "As members we have nothing to hide. There's good people here."

He believes the club's closure for fear of protests is wrong. "I do not condone the club being closed today and I will not condone it."

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcphiladelphia.com ...


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1 posted on 07/09/2009 9:10:48 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

Anyone seen my BabeRuth bar?


2 posted on 07/09/2009 9:13:34 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: traumer

Kind of dumb letting a camp send in a bunch of kids without consulting the members first.

Maybe it means nothing, but I notice that two of the three black guys in the news story photo are wearing Obama sweat shirts.

Coincidence? Or part of a deliberate set-up so they could cry racism?


3 posted on 07/09/2009 9:20:37 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2banana

Cue theme from “Jaws”!


4 posted on 07/09/2009 9:26:14 PM PDT by gigster
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To: traumer

I feel a Denny’s-type lawsuit coming on...


5 posted on 07/09/2009 9:36:59 PM PDT by Mjaye
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To: traumer
96% of blacks supported Zero in November. A group of 50 blacks set upon whites for being white in July. Decades of witnessing life.

Those are a few reasons it’s back to the '50s for this white devil, 1750s that is. As much as I can legally discriminate I will discriminate. To paraphrase Marty Balin: Everything they say we are, I'll be.

Wasn’t always this way. It is now.


6 posted on 07/09/2009 9:37:44 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Cicero

Too hot to touch...


7 posted on 07/09/2009 9:38:46 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

“Tempers further flared after the club’s president John Duesler issued a statement Tuesday saying “There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club.””

Whether this was a racial issue or not, that was a very unfortunate choice of words. This guy has to be wishing that he hadn’t said that.


8 posted on 07/09/2009 9:39:50 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: traumer

You don’t pay an annual membership to a private swim club to be inundated by rowdy, undisciplined kids who could care less about your comfort and enjoyment.

It was a boneheaded move by the club itself, to do this. And, to magnify the boneheadedness, the club president makes some stupid gaffe about “changing the complexion of the club.” Duh.

I bet they’re strapped for money due to declining membership, when it’s all said and done. That’s the only thing that explains their even taking the risk of turning a private club into the equivalent of a public pool for $1,900.00 a month.

Having to settle some sort of discrimination suit will put them completely under.


10 posted on 07/09/2009 9:57:05 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Mjaye

The foyer of a Cracker Barrel I was in a few weeks back had a sign on the wall along the lines of “we welcome people of every race to enjoy a meal..blah, blah..”


11 posted on 07/09/2009 10:01:44 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Obama--POtuS.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
It's $1900 per week, or $7600 per month. Perhaps the person who negotiated the contract should have specified a maximum number of kids per visit and specified off-peak hours so as not to disturb the private members.
12 posted on 07/09/2009 10:08:41 PM PDT by kittykat77
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To: kittykat77

It was a day camp. That’s a lot of money for one day a week. At ten bucks a head it’s 190 youths running amok.

I’d be asking for my money back, too, if I were a member of this club. I’ve managed a large resort pool complex before, summer job in college, and we always dreaded a large influx of kids. These were kids from well-off families who could afford to own a place in the mountains and live there for the summer, and they ruined the water quality. Had to shock the pool nightly to keep any sort of water clarity. The little fiends pee in the water no matter how well they’re raised, and if they’re not you get worse than that.


15 posted on 07/09/2009 10:16:18 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: traumer
I saw this happen in my area about 20 years back.

People in apartment complexes, paying pool fees, suddenly
had to endure unruly kids from the local city youth clubs.

The Apartment managements were legally coerced, the tenants
were outraged, and pools closed due to tenants canceling
their pool subscriptions.

END OF STORY.

Now it moves further west into PA. JJ61

16 posted on 07/09/2009 10:28:04 PM PDT by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: Morgana

I believe the idea is - it is a private pool, open to paying members. They join because they don’t want to go to a crowded public pool full of rowdy kids. I can’t say as I blame them.

The club making a deal with this day camp to bring campers in was a pretty dumb idea. They didn’t consult with their paying members, just jumped in (so to speak). Club members unhappy - I don’t blame them.


17 posted on 07/09/2009 10:41:22 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: kittykat77

It was 1900 for the remainder of the season, once a week, until the end of August.


18 posted on 07/10/2009 12:05:03 AM PDT by FreeperinRATcage (I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for every thing I do. - R. A. Heinlein)
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To: TheBattman; Morgana
The club making a deal with this day camp to bring campers in was a pretty dumb idea. They didn’t consult with their paying members, just jumped in (so to speak). Club members unhappy - I don’t blame them.

This sounds analogous to a local situation I read of recently. I could not find the link but will keep looking.

Some buildings downtown were converted into condominiums. There was some stipulation that along with the condos there had to be included some "low-income" apartments as well. The result was that the "renters" shared the public space with the "owners" and brought their "lifestyle" with them--loudness, rowdiness, hanging out in the lobby at all hours, disruptive behavior, etc. The "owners" began to wonder why they'd shelled out all that money for a pricey condo to live in "apartment" conditions.

I can't say I blame them for being disappointed, either.

19 posted on 07/10/2009 12:45:29 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: RegulatorCountry

“...I’ve managed a large resort pool complex before, summer job in college, and we always dreaded a large influx of kids. These were kids from well-off families who could afford to own a place in the mountains and live there for the summer, and they ruined the water quality. Had to shock the pool nightly to keep any sort of water clarity. The little fiends pee in the water no matter how well they’re raised, and if they’re not you get worse than that...”

I won’t get in a public pool or a hot tub anymore. I’ve seen first hand what normal people do to the water. Not to mention dysfunctional yoots. The hot tubs always seem to attract queers and their partners.

Water is for bathing and fishing...


20 posted on 07/10/2009 12:50:16 AM PDT by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: Morgana

“Just what the hell is a “complexion of a pool” anyway????”

Full Definition of Complexion
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/complexion

I think that the third explanation of the word is what he meant.

3. A viewpoint, inclination, or attitude: a conservative political complexion.


21 posted on 07/10/2009 1:21:24 AM PDT by Mila
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To: traumer

We are members at the local YMCA and I try to schedule my children’s swimming time around the YMCA camp kids swim time. The camp has gotten better and they only bring about 20 kids with them at a time now but when they leave the pool, it’s so nice and quiet.


22 posted on 07/10/2009 2:29:50 AM PDT by TNdandelion (This should be fun.)
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To: TNdandelion

Perhaps if these urban youths were not feral in their behavior, and had some kind of adult supervision, this would not be an issue. Sadly, to be a heathen is the norm in the ghetto. No personal responsibility, no sense of proper behavior, no thought of others: that’s the feral way, and it is near-universal in the ‘hood. It is the norm.


23 posted on 07/10/2009 5:50:18 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Buy Lots Of Ammo Today: BLOAT)
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To: I see my hands

Isn’t that the truth.
I DON’T WANT TO BE RACIST. I DON’T WANT TO PREJUDGE BASED ON SKIN COLOR.

But they’ve given us no choice.


24 posted on 07/10/2009 5:52:37 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: kittykat77

Seems to me they needed an hour set aside just for this group.....that was closed to members. I have been in groups that leased time like this. We did not expect to prance in at any time and annoy the regulars. We set aside a time and reserved the pool......and we were out on time.


25 posted on 07/10/2009 5:57:59 AM PDT by tioga
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To: traumer
I used to be on the board of a local private swim club, and it's probably pretty much the same as most of them.

The budget is usually a razor thin line between staying open and making cuts somewhere. But you learn pretty quick that if you piss off just a few families and they leave, your money saving idea wasn't worth it.

I can guarantee that the board I was on, they would have looked at the $1900 bucks a week, thought about the ramifications, and told the camp they can keep their money and send those kids somewhere else.

But we had a rule against kids at the pool without adult supervision too. The only exception we made to that rule was if the brat (sorry...kid :)had an older sibling watching them and we knew the older sibling wasn't a knucklehead.

26 posted on 07/10/2009 6:21:12 AM PDT by libs_kma (F.U.B.O.)
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To: 2banana
Anyone seen my BabeRuth bar?

*stops chewing* No...haven't seen it... *hides wrapper*

27 posted on 07/10/2009 7:13:27 AM PDT by Kitsunebi
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To: traumer

Meanwhile, how many news stations and papers are covering the story of the white family recently beat by a gang of black thugs shouting “It’s a black world!” etc.?...........(crickets).......


30 posted on 07/10/2009 9:36:59 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (It is impossible to convince someone of facts or truth if they don't want to believe it.)
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To: Morgana
Pissing in the pool does change the complexion of a pool, no matter the definition of the word. I can see these kids doing that and worse!

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Why? Because they're black? Because they're poor? Why?

31 posted on 07/10/2009 9:37:14 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: I Buried My Guns
Perhaps if these urban youths were not feral in their behavior...

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Oh, you know these kids? You were there and saw their behavior?

33 posted on 07/10/2009 9:40:51 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Morgana
Let the kids go else where and reap havoc which I am sure they will do.

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Why? Because they're black? Because they're poor?

Your slip is showing.

35 posted on 07/10/2009 9:55:20 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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Perhaps if these urban youths were not feral in their behavior... _____________________________ Oh, you know these kids? You were there and saw their behavior?

A large group of kids can be very hard to manage, especially in today's society. I attempted to take my 3 grandchildren with me to church and it was a fiasco, with them going in three different directions.

Apparently, whomever drew up the contract, didn't foresee all of the problems that a large group of children would bring and address each issue, such as time of day, number in pool at one time, shower before entering pool, etc.

A nephew of mine was banned from a public pool because of his disrespect of the rules. If he would have had friends with him, it could have been a disaster, before the life guard could have restored order.

38 posted on 07/10/2009 10:13:48 AM PDT by mckenzie7 (TOTUS = PONZI)
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To: Morgana
Yeah, what you said.

we can no longer afford to give people the benefit of the doubt simply because we do not know them personally. Our tolerance in this area has the effect of shredding the fabric of our society. It has nothing to do with being hateful, racist, or biased. It is merely a desire to maintain our society and culture.

Things are coming to a head in this country.

40 posted on 07/10/2009 10:20:46 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Buy Lots Of Ammo Today: BLOAT)
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To: Morgana
So these poor black kids can just go get a job and earn money and buy their own damn pool and treat that pool with respect and not shit in it.....do you freaking understand me? Do you freaking hear me? I have had it with freaking poor black kids who get away with murder! Stop defending them it is their fault they got their selves into this.

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Please explain how eight year olds are responsible for the world they live in....I'm really anxious to hear your learned opinion.

As I said, your slip is showing.

41 posted on 07/10/2009 10:22:44 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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We all know that any group of kids can be disruptive. The point is that freepers have declared this particular group of kids to be feral savages...why? I think the answer is obvious and lies with the posters, not the kids.


42 posted on 07/10/2009 10:25:38 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: FreeperinRATcage
It was 1900 for the remainder of the season, once a week, until the end of August.

Figure 10 weeks, it's 190/day. Divided by 60 kids, that's a little over $3/kid. That's not much money for the chaos and disruption that camp kids can produce.

The Valley Swim Club site has the following announcement:

The Valley Club is deeply troubled by the recent allegations of racism which are completely untrue.

We had originally agreed to invite the camps to use our facility, knowing full well that the children from the camps were from multi-ethnic backgrounds. Unfortunately, we quickly learned that we underestimated the capacity of our facilities and realized that we could not accommodate the number of children from these camps. All funds were returned to the camps and we will re-evaluate the issue at a later date to determine whether it can be feasible in the future.

Our Valley Club deplores discrimination in any form, as is evidenced by our multi-ethnic and diverse membership. Whatever comments may or may not have been made by an individual member is an opinion not shared by The Valley Club Board.


43 posted on 07/10/2009 10:37:16 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: wtc911
Please explain how eight year olds are responsible for the world they live in....I'm really anxious to hear your learned opinion.

It doesn't matter if they are or or not responsible for the world they live in. The dues-paying club members are DEFINITELY not responsible for the world the kids live in, and should not be made to suffer for it. The paying members of the club did not want large groups of camp kids taking over their pool.

Over here is what members pay: Family membership: $1,750, annual dues $450.

If I was shelling out that much money, I would not want to have the pool taken over by 60 camp kids, REGARDLESS of their socio-economic background.

44 posted on 07/10/2009 10:46:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: PapaBear3625

Whoa I pay 200 bucks a year for the family at the local privately owned pool. No wonder the members are ticked off.


45 posted on 07/10/2009 10:48:55 AM PDT by linn37 (cue the circus music the democrats are back in charge)
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To: PapaBear3625
Not my point (but you probably know that).

My post was to a foul-mouthed freeper whose racism was on parade (but you probably know that too).

46 posted on 07/10/2009 11:34:49 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

To wtc911. If you’re a former New York city cop, then you know first hand what kind of behavior ghetto dwellers are capable of. Why make excuses for them?


47 posted on 07/10/2009 12:47:27 PM PDT by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: chadwimc
To wtc911. If you’re a former New York city cop, then you know first hand what kind of behavior ghetto dwellers are capable of. Why make excuses for them?

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I know exactly what kind of behaviour 'ghetto dwellers' are capable of, dollars to donuts I've seen a lot more of it than you have. A lot of it is despicable.

But I've also seen 'ghetto dweller' kid/youth groups struggle to keep above it all and come out just fine.

I live now in one of the wealthiest zip codes in the country. I've seen tons of despicable behavior from these rich, entitled kids too.

The issue here for me is the open racism of some of the freepers on this thread. There is zero evidence that this group of kids did anything but show up black yet these freepers had them condemned as feral savages who at the age of eight or ten are responsible for the world they live in.

That's racism, writ large and plain. You might be ok with that. I'm not.

48 posted on 07/10/2009 3:14:09 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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I think I have some perspective, because I live in the general area. The swim club is in a middle class area a little ways north of where the kids come from. The members are probably more familiar than they want to be with the neighborhood that these kids come from, and moved outside Philly to get away from them.

We don't know the whole story, we mainly know the side of the camp. It might not primarily be the kids. The members might have been put off by the counselors that came with the kids.

And I realize that most of the kids might be nice sweet kids. However, the neighborhood they come from pretty much guarantees that some of these kids are related to gang bangers, with some older ones being wannabes. I would not want that in a place where I would be taking my kids.

I would have the same opinion if they were white kids, who came from a neighborhood with a large number of white biker gangs.

49 posted on 07/10/2009 4:17:52 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: traumer
im Flynn went right to the club president after the kids took the plunge into the pool. "I was the first person to talk to the president, because the pool was overcrowded," said Flynn. "As members we have nothing to hide. There's good people here."

Good for him. The same anti-white and culture destroying crowd is at it again. Of course the MSM doing what they do best leading the lemmings where they want them to go.

50 posted on 07/10/2009 4:31:23 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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