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To: zeestephen

The high close of $147.27 was Friday July 11 2008. That weekend was July 12-13, and SemGroup gave their books to Barclays on Wednesday July 16. That’s three business days later — i.e. the day that shorts covered on Friday settled, or the day that unmet margin calls would force liquidation. I stand by my statement that the all time tippy tippy top in crude oil was within hours of SemGroup covering their last short.

now to articles like this one:

http://www.laobserved.com/biz/2008/07/the_mysterious_semgr.php

a few relevant quotes:

“In the three days surrounding that transfer” to Barclays, crude futures “plunged $15.89...thus, with SemGroup removed from the market, crude oil has been free to fall,” wrote Stephen Schork, editor of the Schork Report, a newsletter tracking the oil market.

“Some traders note that SemGroup’s activity dried up well before July 16...”


20 posted on 07/12/2009 6:14:45 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy
Apparently, I don't understand the price of oil.

I glanced at OIX before I wrote my note, and it peaked in mid-May.

Also scanned a FT article on SemGroup’s bankruptcy, which said oil closed at $125 after Sem’s announcement.

Now looking at WTI and Brent and both peaked in mid-June according to my charts.

The spot price chart at CNBC won't load, so no comment on that.

So, if I goofed, I goofed.

My thesis on speculators still stands.

You can never have a speculator who is making money without an equal and opposite speculator who is losing money.

To my eye, that means dramatic price swings in commodities always have some relationship to real supply and demand.

I find it ironic and humorous that American farmers require federal price supports because speculators drive prices down, while on the other hand consumers must be protected from oil speculators because they drive prices up.

Seems like smart speculators would do the exact opposite, drive farm prices up and oil prices down, thus, everyone would be happy, speculators would get rich, and there would be no investigations or lawsuits.

21 posted on 07/12/2009 7:37:37 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: jiggyboy

Found “OIL.”

You are correct.

July 11 peak.

My mistake.


22 posted on 07/12/2009 7:45:36 PM PDT by zeestephen
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