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“Now we have an honest appraisal of the reality and I totally agree. Given that premise, and the new “doctrine of preemption” so strongly advocated by some here, even after Iraq, in goading Israel to use our nukes on Iran,then conversely, if China nuked us out of the blue using that same doctrine, it would be acceptable?”

I've read your post and I don't think your a troll but, I do think you are confused or need to explain something to liberal leaning friends... when this does happen.

So let me enlighten you in a few words. We are not goading Israel, we offer our prayers and support, they have been threatened by Iran (with NEAR nuclear capabilities) looong enough. China, is a no brainer dude or dudette, we have not threatened that country in a way shape or form. Quiet now, read and learn.