[basil]

"I don't fear the average, law-abiding citizen wanting to apply for a permit," Settingsgaard said. "I fear guns in the hands of criminals and felons.

Statements like this always make we want to duct tape my head to keep it from exploding!

The criminals will ALWAYS have guns. They do not go through the process the law-abiding folks do to be able to carry a gun.

Why this is such a hard concept for way too many people to get is beyond me.

[Lurker]

Don't let your head explode basil. This is from downstate IL in Peoria, which is about as normal a place in IL as one can find. That is opposed to Normal, IL which most definetely is not normal in any sense of the word.

Once one gets south of I-80, Illinois is really a very nice place to be. But as far as I'm concerned one could take everything north of I-80 to the Wisconsin line from Lake Michigan to Rockford, split it off, and make it it's own State.

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[hoosierham]

The statists of all types fear people who have the means and will to resist unpopular regimes.

With guns the Jews in Germany wouldn't have gone to the ovens.

With guns to defend themselves,two million Cambodians skulls wouldn't be stacked in monuments to failed socialism.

With guns,Negroes in the South wouldn't have died by the hundreds in illegal lynchings.

Nothing says "Stop,do you really want to try that?" like a loaded .45 pointed in the face of the attacker.