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To: DJ MacWoW

No, I don’t believe you’re correct. If Obama was born outside the U.S. and one of his parents was over 18 and a U.S. citizen he would be a natural born citizen. He could have been a dual citizen, but he still would be considered a natural born citizen.


121 posted on 07/28/2009 6:15:21 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

That is flat wrong.


143 posted on 07/28/2009 6:25:52 AM PDT by DB
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
No, I don’t believe you’re correct.

In 1800 a natural born citizen had 2 parents of the same nationality.

Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report

It is only by examining the 18th century usage and definition of a term that we can ascertain its meaning in the Constitution. In the 18th century, and at the time of the framing and ratification of the Constitution by the states, the term “natural-born” subject or citizen was always used or defined in such a way as to exclude the child of a British or American girl or woman when that child was born in a foreign country and that child’s father was a foreign citizen. No 18th century jurist would have thought the term “natural-born” citizen or subject could have been extended to the child of a British or American girl or woman when that child was born in a foreign country and that child’s father was a foreign citizen.

William Blackstone, Commentaries 1:354, 357–58, 361–62

1765

“Natural-born subjects are such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England, that is, within the ligeance, or as it is generally called, the allegiance of the king; and aliens, such as are born out of it.. . .

To encourage also foreign commerce, it was enacted by statute 25 Edw. III. st. 2. that all children born abroad, provided both their parents were at the time of the birth in allegiance to the king,…might inherit as if born in England:

If Obama was born outside the U.S. and one of his parents was over 18 and a U.S. citizen he would be a natural born citizen.

No. His mother was not old enough to confer citizenship.

Same link: In 1961 if a 17 year old American girl gave birth in a foreign country to a child whose father was not an American citizen, that child had no right to any American citizenship, let alone the “natural born” citizenship that qualifies someone for the Presidency under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.

“ 7 FAM 1133.2-2 Original Provisions and Amendments to Section 301

(CT:CON-204; 11-01-2007)

“a. Section 301 as Effective on December 24, 1952: When enacted in 1952, section 301 required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for ten years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. The ten-year transmission requirement remained in effect from 12:01 a.m. EDT December 24, 1952, through midnight November 13, 1986, and still is applicable to persons born during that period.

144 posted on 07/28/2009 6:26:39 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
If Obama was born outside the U.S. and one of his parents was over 18 and a U.S. citizen he would be a natural born citizen. He could have been a dual citizen, but he still would be considered a natural born citizen.

You and the msm are confusing "native born" with "natural born." Those are two different terms.

249 posted on 07/28/2009 7:56:01 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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