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To: rudman

- There is nothing n the letter on page 51 concerning the date of naturalization of Arthur’s father.

- There is nothing in the NYTimes obit concerning the date of naturalization of Arthur’s father.

- Part of the context concerning the Senator’s letter on page 89 is missing because the letter *to* the Senator seems abridged. It may be worth noting, however, that the Senator seems to have an incorrect reading of “natural-born citizen.” Maybe he wasn’t up on his French.

I’m glad to discuss this with you; I’m interested to see if you have cites for any of your claims that would have a bearing on the matter at hand. Let me know if you think you find any more.


441 posted on 08/05/2009 1:08:15 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Plummz

Plummz - please - on page 51 it does indeed discuss the controversy over Chester Arthur’s “place of birth and parentage”.

No - it doesn’t say “Fathers Naturalization Date - but really - what on earth do you think they are referring to with the word Parentage? In the context of a book that is claiming that Arthur is not a natural born citizen and thus not able to serve to be president? Published contemporary to Arthur? With people discussing whether or not he was actually born in america?

Have you read the Bates opinion? My understanding of AG’s opinions is that they form the basis for how the executive branch follows the law. Bates pretty clearly spells out that soil controls, and not blood. Has a subseqeunt interpretation by the courts countered this? Or by any subsequent AG?

And, again, I ask you, has there been any recognition of Arthur being a illegitimate president, as you claim? Any justices from the supreme court he appointed forced out? Any laws disregarded because they bear his signature? Anything like that at all? Anything? Any act by any agency - legislative, executive, or judicial - whatsoever? After spending the last hour scouring the internet, my old set of encyclopedias, and my “Definitive Guide To American History” I can’t find any such instance whatsoever.

Maybe I am wrong. Show me. Don’t just tell me Arthur’s illegitimate - back it up.


442 posted on 08/05/2009 2:37:22 PM PDT by rudman
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