Posted on 07/29/2009 9:34:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Big Jim? Reddest of red-state Republicans? A man who once said he wouldn’t mind if the Democrats held 70 seats in the Senate so long as the 30 GOP seats were occupied by small-government conservatives? That Jim DeMint?
An anti-Birther?
On Monday, however, the South Carolina Republican found himself defending Barack Obama from the fringier elements of his own political party: the conspiracy theorists who insist the president was not born in the United States.
“I may have disagreements with [the president] on issues,” DeMint told the Huffington Post. “But he is my president, he deserves our respect, and we need forget that nonsense …
“He is not only a citizen,” he added, “he is our president.”
Current status of DeMint’s Constitution-abiding “true conservative” credentials: Shaky. Fortunately for believers, there are more than a dozen other congressmen who now question the official story willing to pick up his slack. Something for discussion in the comments: What exactly is the theory about the Certificate of Live Birth that Obama has produced? It’s obviously based on some sort of original documentary information in Hawaii’s possession, be it a contemporaneous statement from the doctor who delivered him or affidavits from his parents and/or grandparents that he was born in Honolulu. Let’s say it’s the latter. What then? How exactly is evidence that’s accepted by a U.S. state as proof of birth somehow insufficient to qualify one for the presidency?
Update: I’m sure National Review’s “true conservative” credentials would be revoked for this editorial if not for the fact that they were revoked long ago for being snobby elitist east coast New York/Beltway cocktail-party attenders or whatever.
If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has produced—the document is formally known as a “certificate of live birth”—bears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate—which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the “real” birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy. Given that fact, we are loath even to engage the fanciful notion that President Obama was born elsewhere, contrary to the information on his birth certificate, but we note for the record that his mother was a native of Kansas, whose residents have been citizens of the United States for a very long time, and whose children are citizens of the United States as well.
You need to apologize for your comments especially to pissant.
JD is obviously basing his remarks on the accepted opinion.
IF more details were to emerge, such as an actual BC, then JD would adjust his position accordingly.
Advocating another “not a purge?”
This below section would appear to be an untruth, mistake, intentional mistake, lie, deception or whatever your choice is. NRO collectively can't be this stupid. They just want it all to go away and made a half-ass effort towards that end. With crap like this being put out to close the case though, it will never go away. They should be embarrassed, not for their position so much as for choosing to defend Obama's version as pure and then falling on their faces.
"...several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate—which is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the “real” birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy."
That's scary in a legislator. I wonder if he voted for Obama? The accepted opinion was that he would make the best president.
BTW, I don't think DeMint is that dumb.
This site has become goofy with these conspiracy theories...Seriously, birthers have drifted into the batty Daily KOS land with this goofy conspiracy nonsense.
The evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii is overwhelming compared to the scant evidence that he was not.
I am beginning to think the same thing....the GOP does not want to win.
Pushing away conservatives for 1/3 of the Hispanic vote is a sure winner....umm, yeah right
Do you have any evidence that the existing Obama COLB would not be accepted for passport purposes?
For those 99.999999999% who are not named “Barack Obama”....you need a birth cert for a passport
I had to get a passport recently, and needed to provide my BC. What fun I had hunting down my BC, because, I am foreign-born....(not in Kenya, though)
I think the COLB is a photoshopped forgery, yes? Using that to get a passport would probably get him into trouble.
No. Some have claimed that, but there's no credible evidence.
Why is the Certificate of Live Birth not sufficient to show that Obama is a natural born citizen ? Educate this ignoramus please...
I believe it is completely sufficient.
If you don't like what is discussed here go somewhere else.
Canadian Free Press writer, JB Williams
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.
(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOMHAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, THE THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.
(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..
Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
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A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:
Dr. Orly Taitz PayPal:
Dr. Orly’s official website: (new(
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
Or Dr. Orly’s blog:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/
This little Russian refugee lady is out there in the trenches every day fighting to bring Obama down- hitting him on multiple levels.
She flies all over the country giving speeches,interviews, serving papers and talking with various officials.
This is expensive, and it is reported that she is over $8,000 in debt from using her own personal funds.
Please do what you can to help her.
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How did Obama get his passport in 1981?
This means that the seal on the COLB has to correspond to odd or even numbered years.
Obama's internet COLB was issued by the DoH in June 2007. BUT it has been stamped with a seal that is an even numbered seal design ( such that would be used on a 2006 or 2008 COLB ). They have compared with another certified ( physical ) copy issued by the DoH in 2007 and they have different seals.
By law, if the COLB has been "stamped" with an improper or forged seal, it is an invalid document, and does not constitute proof of anything.
And that is just one of the problems with Obama's COLB...
1) He could have received a passport as a naturalized citizen (meaning: his status as natural-born citizen of the US would not enter into it).
2) He could have shown them a valid Hawaiian birth certificate -- but that is the thing he WON'T show us.
The point is that the most rock-solid "proof" that he has for his birth in Hawaii is a newspaper clipping. That's just not something the federal government will accept.
Note also: His sister is known to have born in Indonesia and she has a COLB just like Obama's. That doesn't mean he was born outside of Hawaii. But it does show that his COLB tells us nothing useful.
Everyone born in Hawaii in 1961 has a long-form birth certificate. Why won't Obama let us see his?
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