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Walmart Considers 3 GW Solar Deployment for Its Stores
DailyTech ^ | July 31, 2009 | Jason Mick

Posted on 07/31/2009 12:08:23 PM PDT by LuxMaker

Trial deployment being started to test the waters

Interest in solar power remains high -- as do the costs associated with deploying the technology.  The field is an interesting case; costs have been progressively dropping as efficiencies have been rising.  However, there's also concerns about materials and potentially easier to harvest alternatives such as wind and nuclear energy to consider.  Ultimately, major adopters could help to tip the scale in solar power's favor by offering the kind of funding needed to create mass production on the massive scale needed to drop cost.


One such major adopter may soon commit to solar power -- Walmart.  Known for its financial savvy and cutthroat competitive nature, Walmart has started a trial deployment at a few stores.  If it deems the results acceptable, it plans to roll out solar panels on the roofs of all its stores.

That makes for a deployment of approximately 35 square miles.  That in turn would result in -- estimating conservatively 3 watts per square foot -- about 3 GW of total capacity.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: energy; retail; solar; walmart
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To: Andrewksu
Oh, and "get rid of the TV" is my first rule. Man that watches TV doesn't have time for building a place. I IM and post during wait times on a laptop that is with me, but I'm otherwise working from daylight until dark. And then I eat and sleep. You can't do that in front of a TV.

/johnny

41 posted on 07/31/2009 5:25:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
And the cost of the batteries? 15 years is a good long time to amortize the cost, but I am wondering about the initial capital outlay.

Where is your location, if you don't mind saying in a general sense (desert, mountain, plains, etc.)? Available sunlight and average annual hours of sunshine have a big impact on feasibility. Where I am, I sure don't want to be caught without a reliable energy source in the dead of winter. A fireplace won't do it for heating needs when it's zero or so for days on end with snow and no sun.

42 posted on 07/31/2009 5:43:37 PM PDT by chimera
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To: Andrewksu
When you hear the infamous "Smart Grid" phrase, just substitute "energy rationing", because that's what it really is.

Going off-grid is one way to defeat it. Going "guerrilla" is another (i.e., finding ways around the rationing mechanisms). That is where I am looking right now and, believe me, as someone who has spent time in the power dispatching center "hot seat", I have some pretty good ideas on how to do it.

43 posted on 07/31/2009 5:48:10 PM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera
Check freep-mail for details I don't want to advertise. But remember, I also have a generator for those 7 days with crappy sunlight that happen now and then. I hope the wind generator will help with that this winter.

One way to overcome crappy sunlight is to use series ganged panels for up to 96Vdc, to feed a 12Vdc battery system.

I used the 12Vdc battery bank because I had the inverter for free/low cost.

The Outback charge controller manages the 96v PV to 12v battery bank very well. I get a charge even on cloudy days.

Given unlimited funds, I would have a 48Vdc inverter with better than the stepped square wave.

/johnny

44 posted on 07/31/2009 6:02:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: chimera
When I first started noticing that government was starting to interfere with power, I lived in Garland, Texas. The city owns the power company. BAD IDEA.

First thing I did was to go through the house and kill the inductive loads or change the starters for soft-start and measured the PF of everything.

I looked at every device that consumed electricity in the house. I have a spiral notebook full of notes.

We achieved 40% savings by upgrading/deleting crap that was designed in the 1950s.

I have carried that to an extreme, perhaps, as NASCAR has done, but tried to do it at low cost, and NO change in my expected lifestyle. When I want to read, I don't want dim light. When I want a computer, I don't want 30 bogo-mips.

I could preach about energy and stewardship all day long. ;)

/johnny

45 posted on 07/31/2009 6:18:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
It's in very early stages, but below is the supporting website. It is not meant for public consumption as the info is all over the place and I am trying to condense down from the book in its early stages. However, I think there is some useful information there and would love for those with longer term experience to chime in. Flatline Living Critical comments welcome.
46 posted on 07/31/2009 7:35:02 PM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: Andrewksu
those with longer term experience to chime in.

Thanks, I think. Does that mean I'm old?

BTW, after glancing at your website, my first thought was that you should not defend conservatives being green, but use Biblical quotes to defend how conservatives (however badly) have been CONSERVING and STEWARDING the resources that God gave us. And we haven't done that badly.

We should defend the stewardship role assigned by God and that the left has tried to co-opt with their "green" movement.

That segues nicely into the fact that humans are expected to use their resources.

/johnny

47 posted on 07/31/2009 7:45:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

No, it means I am a newbie, with only bookish experience. My girlfriend and I are architects and are currently designing our off grid home. I have worked on several projects, but have yet to live under the roof.

Good point on stewardship. Matter of fact, there is a quote from Voltaire about not losing a connection with nature and how it provides for us.

“We must cultivate our own garden. When man was put in the garden of Eden he was put there so that he should work, which proves that man was not born to rest.” There is more to it, but it fits somewhat.

I always reflect on my grandfather and how he made the most of what he had, and would not pollute or mistreat his environs, for it provided for him.


48 posted on 07/31/2009 8:03:52 PM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: Andrewksu
;) It's ok. I have a lot of miles, regardless of the year model, which isn't new.

The picture on your website is picturesque, but not sustainable or livable.

Imagine going to feed or care for critters in the pre-dawn hours in that locale. First (as you get older, this matters) you have to get down the hill in snow and ice without busting your ass.

Live in a tent in a spot for 16 days, 4 days each in the middle of winter, spring, summer, and fall, and then tell me that you can't find a better spot nearby.

I'm all about practical. But I chose a spot at the base of a 200 ft hill that moves about 2 inches a year. I'll be dead before it over-runs the house, or my descendants turn it into a hill-side root cellar.

It's little things like that that you have to live to understand.

/johnny

49 posted on 07/31/2009 8:16:09 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yes, it was chosen purely for looks. I would probably choose the same as you, just on or at the bottom of a slope in a valley. Need some fertile ground for gardens, and protection from harsh winter winds.


50 posted on 07/31/2009 8:45:15 PM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: LuxMaker
If it deems the results acceptable, it plans to roll out solar panels on the roofs of all its stores.

Ummmm, they should sell them to their customers too...

51 posted on 07/31/2009 8:46:45 PM PDT by GOPJ (Destroy cars to stop nonexistant global warming & tax citizens $4,500 each time? Crazy.)
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To: chimera

Are you building new? You would be surprised how a well design home with modern insulation can hold heat. Some small super efficient cabins can stretch a cord all winter.

I have some good calculators for solar hours, what’s your zip? I also have a great program that allows you to enter all of you loads, and all of your inputs (wind/solar/micro hydro/generator) and it will show at what times of day/year you are short on input or storage. Contact me if you would like to know more. andrew@acronymdesigns.com


52 posted on 07/31/2009 8:55:15 PM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: JRandomFreeper
I use paint made by the people who won the "best spin-off" award from NASA. It's cheap (used to be about $12 for enough for a gallon of paint)... Anyhow, it's the same stuff used on the tiles of our space crafts - diluted down. If you're into saving energy - this will do it for heating and cooling.

* Technology. The original NASA Spinoff product...and the only one developed by a former Space Program employee. Not another "me too" provider of fly ash or recycled glass.

* Solutions. We have formulated and developed a full line of coatings for many different applications from residential, to commercial, to industrial....and even "project specific" coatings. Not a work from home operation or website entity that merely changes labels on someone else's product and sells it for all types of applications. If that was possible...your local paint store would have only 1 can on the shelf! * Innovation. Because we manufacture our products...at our own facility... we are constantly in touch with the latest advances in the industry. This allows us the opportunity to bring to market the most advanced technology available in both the ceramics and coatings sciences.

http://www.hytechsales.com/ Hy-Tech insulating paint products are based upon our exclusive blend of insulating ceramic microspheres or "vacuum beads", that are designed specifically for mixing into paints, coatings and composites to form a tight interlocking matrix which reduces conductive heat through the painted surface. The ceramic barrier reflects up to 90% of the heat back to the source.

53 posted on 07/31/2009 8:57:19 PM PDT by GOPJ (Destroy cars to stop nonexistant global warming & tax citizens $4,500 each time? Crazy.)
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To: Andrewksu
I'm old and multi-disciplinary, so I looked for something that met my military training for a spot that won't get flooded, be exposed, and has good defensive properties.

It also met my food prep training for having a spot for slaughter, butchering, sanitation, garbage disposal, food preparation and storage, including slow smoking, outdoor bread oven, and cold house for meat and root veggies. Not to mention, a good possibility for an ice house.

On the engineering side, it met my requirements for a clear wireless shot to my network connection and good solar and wind conditions.

Hydrological considerations, it was near, but not too near a seasonal creek. Substrata water is divided into two clear layers, potable, and non-potable. I worked hard for the hydrology. Data was scarce, I had to do field work that I've not done in years, and I had no-one to second-guess my decisions.

Land use, I was more comfortable with. When I started turning soil and doing the test digs, I was very happy with the soil. It just needs stewardship.

A lot of disciplines went into making my decision. It was like a permanent final exam. Double check everything, hit the books, since it's an open-book test, but get it right.

/johnny

54 posted on 07/31/2009 8:59:31 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: GOPJ
That's neat stuff. I spec it on some of the consulting I do.

For an older neat thing that folks don't tend to know about, check out pyecrete. I use it structurally in the dead of winter, and all summer long for cooling.

/johnny

55 posted on 07/31/2009 9:03:39 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Any particular books you recommend? Site work is my weakest point, and is one of the areas where generic advice just doesn’t cut it.


56 posted on 07/31/2009 9:04:27 PM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: Andrewksu
LOL! The two bookshelves to the left side of my parlor in Ft. Worth. Ignore the top half of the leftmost bookshelf, that's mostly art and music. Stop at the Russian and French books on the rightmost shelf. All of the engineering stuff is within easy reach, and handy.

Most of my books are 1860s to 1940s. They had very practical advice, but you have to work for it.

I have a DuPont book from 1918 that shows how to use their product for everything from breaking pan soils, moving tree stumps, sealing broken substrata to curing hemorrhoids and digging drainage ditches. Their product, back then was explosives.

/johnny

57 posted on 07/31/2009 9:13:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Andrewksu
Here is one of the pamphlets I have in my collection. It is online. I thought it might be. He references a book on blacksmithing that I also have. All of that stuff has great references.

There's a book on doing survey work in the late 1800s that describes what chains, rods, and the other measurements are. It even has a primer on Trig, in case you didn't pay attention in class.

It's not one book, or even a few, it's hundreds, including books on raising hogs and bee-keeping.

And lots of field work. Get in the field. Screw up. Fix it. Learn from it. Find a mentor. Learn from your mentor.

/johnny

58 posted on 07/31/2009 9:29:42 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Much thanks. I have a decent collection on construction, gardening, livestock, and practical trades, but lean on surveying and ground water. Also have the Foxfire series which is great.


59 posted on 07/31/2009 9:39:05 PM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: Andrewksu
Firefox series, third shelf down, leftmost bookcabinet, right hand side. I could find it in the dark. Great series, but take it with a grain of salt. They leave out a lot of important detail.

'Living on 5 acres' is good, too, but leaves out important details.

/johnny

60 posted on 07/31/2009 9:43:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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