Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
The point is that “natural born” (the English term) did not come from Vattel. The term “natural born” in fact was taken from English common law, as the post and the link clearly state.
That the term “natural born” was used at all indicates that they were using a term known to them from English common law. Were they to have used Vattel as their intended meaning and been intelligent fellows, the LAST thing they would do is use a term that was so obviously taken from English common law.
That you all cannot see this is a choice you have made to be intellectually dishonest. Either that or you’re just stupid.
The point is that “natural born” (the English term) did not come from Vattel. The term “natural born” in fact was taken from English common law, as the post and the link clearly state.
That the term “natural born” was used at all indicates that they were using a term known to them from English common law. Were they to have used Vattel as their intended meaning and been intelligent fellows, the LAST thing they would do is use a term that was so obviously taken from English common law.
That you all cannot see this is a choice you have made to be intellectually dishonest. Either that or you’re just stupid.
The point is that “natural born” (the English term) did not come from Vattel. The term “natural born” in fact was taken from English common law, as the post and the link clearly state.
That the term “natural born” was used at all indicates that they were using a term known to them from English common law. Were they to have used Vattel as their intended meaning and been intelligent fellows, the LAST thing they would do is use a term that was so obviously taken from English common law.
That you all cannot see this is a choice you have made to be intellectually dishonest. Either that or you’re just stupid.
They are listed on the transcript posted by WND earlier this week under "Extension & Correspondence Courses." The dates for one course are given as 8/19/61 to 12/12/61, and for the other, 8/19/61 to 12/11/61. The other two correspondence courses she took started on 12/27/61.
I'd assume that the date of registration is the date the correspondence course began, which didn't necessarily coincide with the beginning of the University quarter.
It means the only difference in the law was the absence of that term.
President Obama at a campaign rally for Virginia Gov. hopeful Creigh Deeds:
“I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess.”
Every member of our society is welcome to speak about political issues. Obama apparently rejects that notion. To actually verbalize that the other side should not talk is to seek to silence his critics — a sure mark of a despot wannabe.
I think shouting people down is wrong, but to say the entire other side shouldn’t speak at all, when those who have been rude are a small subset of the opposition (which includes Democrats), is profoundly un-American. Our core values are diametrically opposed to that view, which is exactly what a despot wants.
Everything he’s done so far, both foreign and domestic, indicates he’s anti-American.
It’s a very revealing thing to say. It solidifies in people’s minds what kind of a person you are, a person who says one thing about working with those who disagree with you but really believes something quite different, which slips out, as that did. Obama probably still doesn’t know what he said. And lots of people heard him. He said, in essence, “I have no intention of compromising, and I don’t even want to hear what opponents say.” That’s not the person that the people who elected him thought they were voting for. Some of them actually believed his schtick. Obama, in short, is a liar. He’s unmasking himself all the time, and he’s already lost so much support that it’s quite astounding.
He is everything his detractors said he would be last year — and worse.
The birth certificate is not an issue for me and hasn’t been since February. I found out what I needed to know. I’m accepting that he was likely born in Hawaii, because I find it unbelievable that the State of Hawaii would participate in a fraud, and Hawaii says it doesn’t provide long-form birth certificates anymore.
American is NOT this: “I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess.”
American is NOT bowing to a Middle Eastern king.
American is NOT siding with a man whose country legally removed him from office according to its Constitution and its laws.
The list goes on ......
I hope he keeps saying things like, “I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess” — one or two a day like that would be terrific!!! It’s quite a delight to hear him say these things. And he should definitely continue in the same vein as that brilliant comment on the Cambridge Police.
Maybe one a week? After all, that was a big one, worth quite a bit of news attention and commentary. Okay, look, three times a week? Yes, I think that would be just about right.
A man drunk on what Obama’s drunk on will not disappoint me, I am sure. Stay tuned.
The word is out already, though. It’s too late for him. He’s exposed himself already.
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President Obama at a campaign rally for Virginia Gov. hopeful Creigh Deeds:
“I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess.”
(1)The Supreme Court has rejected every without revealing why, yet you professional dissemblers continue to try and paint the reality to suit your deceitful bias. And most cases have been reject in lower courts by pleading 'lack of standing', reminding us all that it is the criminal enterprise democrat party which uses 'no controlling legal authority' to inveigle their/your criminality.
(2)All 435 members of the House of Representatives cannot lend credulity to someone if they are not what they present theirself to be, though we can see why you Obamanoids keep trying to lend credibility to your affirmative action liar.
(3)I particularly like the way you liars keep trying to establish as truth that which even you acknowledge has yet to be decided by the SCOTUS! You lying asshats contradict yourselves so often it is a wonder you have the guts to keep turning up at FR with your trollish stench!
(4)Typical of lairs and criminal deceivers, you want to establish credibility using the cowardice of mostly your elected representatives. Cheney's choice to ignore his oath of fealty to the Constitution doesn't make your affirmative action bastard any more credible! And the more you try to establish credibility for your lair, the more you expose your leftist troll nature.
(5)And you can claim obamastink is your president because of the lack of fealty on Roberts part. So what?
(6)Now you're really becoming irrational. Why would the criminal enterprise demcorat party which has contempt for the people of this nation--as they are proving daily now--start impeachment of their favorite criminal while he sits in the Oval Office?
(7)Ah, the 'a Democrat president shouldn't have to be transparent for the job of presidnet because we elected this affirmative action scum for the job and we don't want to follow your moldy old Constitution.' Yes we see that from you fecal flaoters almost daily now.
(8)And this last one is particularly revealing of your blind sycophancy! You conveniently leave out the damning nature of those supposed exhibits which have been substantiated ONLY by e-mail from ONE annonymous source. You leave out that the claimed address for the Obama's is erroneous, having been the actual address of another completely different family for more than fifty years, AND that this supposed health department flawless list does not show the Nordyke TWINS who were born just a few hours after Barry is claiming to have been born yet they have lower brith cert registry numbers!
You lying obamanoid scum just keep posting your fabrciated garbage and we will keep posting why it is merel more deception, which is needed to cover for your lying affirmative action bastard in chief.
Hawaii has said that they do routinely provide copies of the long form, but you could have one subpoenaed because they did not destroy the paper copies when they made the electronic files designed to speed up response times. That you try to mischaracterize the reality is telling of your bias.
Justice Marshall writing in the minority opinon in the Venus case defined native born, or indigenes:
The Supreme Court of the United States in THE VENUS relied upon Vattel’s “Law of Nations” as the authority in determining the citizenship status of a “domicil”. With regard to Vattel, THE VENUS court written in the minority specifically stated, “Vattel, …is more explicit and more satisfactory on it [CITIZENSHIP ISSUES] than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says, ‘the citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or indigenes, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
Since I hardly expect you to spend 3 hours listening to the Laurie Roth show out of Washington State, and I did; I’ll give you the benefit of some of my notes.
The show is an interview of Doup Hagman (Private Eye, licensed in 33 states) and Judi McLeod (Editor, Canada Free Press) on their investigation behind their story published earlier this week that multiple major TV and Radio networks and anchors have been threatened by the Obama Administration on the loss of their licenses and more if they MENTION the Birth Certificate controversy on air. Furthermore they were given a list of terms they could use skirting and skewing the topic if it is brought up by a guest. Doug and Judi have original, signed affidavits, meeting notes, etc. secreted in several places, both inside and outside the country backing their claims.
What was the bombshell? Names of the Networks. Further details of the plans, etc.
Fox News, NBC, CBS, CNN and 2 large radio networks that Doug refused to name. Threats were professional and personal and implied bodily harm against family.
The White House operates an Internet War Room of paid and unpaid posters that have infiltrated both left and right discussion websites — FreeRepublic and Daily Kos were mentioned. The purpose of this network is specifically to marginalize the legitimacy of the birth issues.
The message is DO NOT QUESTION THIS PRESIDENT! (or his birth certificate, oaths of allegience, passport info, college records and activities, legal licensing in IL, etc.)
Some of the people at the highest level involved in this news blackout include George Soros, Rahm Emanuel, David Axelrod and even members of the Bush Admin who colluded with the Obama camp during the transition to make these questions go away. THey also mentioned someone named Maury (?) Strong who conspired with Soros and vowed in 2004 (?) to bring the US auto industry down. Strong and Soros are behind the import of Chinese vehicles.
At the end of the show, Philip Berg called in and announced that he still has 3 lawsuits pending aimed at forcing Obama to reveal his birth certificate. One of them names Barry Soetoro and involves false claims. It claims that Barry Soetoro is an illegal alien and wants to force him to return back salary and benefits accorded him when he falsely took the position of State Senator from IL. It also accuses the Whitehose of having a conflict of interest with Eric Holder dating back a number of years. That is at the very end of Hour #3 if you want to skip ahead and get the actual words.
Get the popcorn. This will be interesting to watch.
Concur 100%.
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
Sorry, but you're simply making the argument that all people born in the circumstances contained in that statute are US CITIZENS.
There is a fundamental difference between a Natural Born US Citizen, and a US Citizen by statute.
Few of us here are arguing the Obama isn't even a US Citizen. What we are saying is that he IS NOT a Natural Born US Citizen, which the US Constitution requires for eligibility for President.
The Constitution specifically refers to The Law Of Nations, capitalized as a proper noun. As there is only one such book, it serves as the ONLY reference material on the subject. Later court decisions have been quite explicit in referring to this specific text, not to a general “law of nations”(lower case).
Checkmate.
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I think we're of the same mind here. I also don't believe that it's necessary (or even legal) to impeach a President who has been shown to be unqualified. If he's not eligible to hold the office, then he was never President to begin with, and has been operating under false color of authority the whole time.
A simple arrest would be all that's necessary, in my opinion, should it be proved that he is ineligible to hold the office.
Somebody forgot to take their medication this morning! Have a cookie, drink some milk and take a nap. You’ll feel better.
Curious about Maury Strong. Do you think Soros worked with this one?
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/maury-strong/4/76/a13
CHeck out afraidfortherepublic’s notes.
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