Posted on 08/03/2009 6:27:13 PM PDT by kristinn
In other words, let Obama off the hook because of what you “know” the birthers will do in the future.
Why don’t you put this marvelous gift of knowing the future actions of others at the service of good, rather than evil?
They just always screw it up.
Isn’t this going to court?
Who decided this was fake?
OK - I admit it - I am a ‘birther.’ Sorry but it is not about being on the crazy train at all. Look at the entire BHO experience - and from the second he was born until today - he has been surrounded by people who seem to do nothing but flaunt the laws, the rules and societal norms. Someone please correct me if I am wrong with that one.
But more importantly - the BHO Birth Certificate Issue is just not some silly diversion - It is a Constitutional issue - Article 2 Section 1 - is the Natural Born Citizen ‘clause’.
Not that Obama is/was a Citizen - but a Natural Born Citizen. There is a difference. Just as there is a difference between a Birth Certificate and a Certification of Live Birth. The Birth Certificate has a raised seal, the Hospital of Birth and of course a Doctors Signature. The Certification of Live Birth - does not (maybe the raised seal). In HI, one can get a Certification of Live Birth - that will list HI as the place - but you do not not only not have to have been born in HI, you don’t have to be born in any US State (one would assume that the reason stems from the same reason the 14th Amendment exists - many in HI are not of American birth and would have to be Naturalized), there is a catch - if you are not born in HI you can not purchase property in HI [Aside, it might explain why a person born and raised in more temperate climates suddenly chooses IL to settle in].
As this is a Constitutional Issue - Biden would not step in - this would not be an Impeachment issue (it is not Death/Disability). It would void the 2008 Election as it was illegal - Congress would appoint someone to sit until a new election was held. And I do think that this is what holds many people back from pursuing/supporting the issue - what exactly would a Constitutional Crisis do to America? The bigger question to me is What is Keeping a Person who has not proven he is a NBC or eligible under that clause of the Constitution as a POTUS?
The ‘threat’ or specter of riots, etc should never, ever stop a Constitutional Issue from being presented nor questioned. As that is government by fear, tyranny and threats.
Dr. Orly Taitz is an American of Russian descent and as such does not want to see the America she grew up in dragged into the same mess the Russia her parents fled from is.
There are (many) but probably 3 main reasons Obama does not show his Birth Certificate:
1) There is none - which raises the Constitutional/Natural Born Citizen Issue/Crisis.
2) There is something embarrassing for him on the Birth Certificate - We have proof that he is arrogant enough to care about something as petty as that.
3) The chaos, arrogance and control of not showing his Birth Certificate is exactly what he desires to keep a US vs Them attitude going, festering and flourishing - so that he can advance his agenda.
It is a simple thing - Prove it (Birth Certificate) or Step Aside. But take this into consideration (yes, the lying lies liars tell in abundance in both the MSM and Congress - does not help on either side of this issue) - these people on the Left have a real disdain for the Constitution - how better to utterly undermine it than by electing a non-eligible POTUS?
re: “His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya”
Someone needs a sex ed refresher course. It doesn’t matter where the father is when mom give birth. She’s the one doing the heavy lifting!
I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya.
I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put on by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical.
I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven.
So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964.
The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered.
I stress the word “copy.”
My copy also has republic of Kenya.
So what you say is true about Kenya not being a republic at the time of Obama’s birth, however it was a republic when the copy was ordered.
The birth certificate is genuine. I assure you it will be authenticated by a forensic auditor.
We are very proud Obama was born here.
We have a shrine for him and there are many people who remember his birth here as he had a white mother.
They are being interviewed now by one of your media outlets. Fortunately they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the hospital in the back ground. It will be a proud day for us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the most powerful man in the world.
I encourage anyone to come here and visit.
I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures at the hospital myself as well as my document and many others that are identical to what Taitz posted.
God Bless.
Kitau
the above was copied from the comments following the article in the washington independent.
All of those except the 'the Kenyan father/not "natural born" issue' are "red herrings" that dilute our efforts and attention. Mere citizenship is not at all the issue.
The Constitutional specification is for a "natural born citizen" -- a native born citizen -- born to parents which are both citizens.
By clinging to his claim of a Kenyan (British subject) as his father, Øbama automatically negates any possibility of being Constitutionally qualified to be President.
The only way that Øbama can pass the "natural born" test is to produce an American Long form birth certificate showing an American citizen (someone other than Barack Obama 'Sr.') to be his actual father.
Øbama's trapped: either he is not qualified per the Constitution (as he now admits) -- or he proves his entire life (and his two books, upon which his fortune rests) to be totally fabricated lies.
No wonder his attorneys raised the objection that release of his actual birth records would "result in embarassment".
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You can sneer at the "birthers" if you like. But, if you are a true Patriot, you cannot abandon the Constitution...
Those are good and valid points, but why let up now when they are on the defensive? The hidden documents, Marxist agenda are both valid issues that need to be addressed.
obumpa
Rather than a just blind pursuit of the BC I think seeking much more obtainable records like pass ports, school records, and all the other things which have been sealed may be more fruitful.
I just looked at the two images, greatly enlarged. The “K” in “K.F. Lavender” on the one image is VERTICAL (while the document and all the other letters are tilted), and free of the compression artifacts that surround all the other letters. The “E” of “E.F. Lavender” on the other image looks more real.
Yet, the “E.F. Lavender” is supposed to be the “joke”?
So far, I haven’t seen anything but gratuitous assertions that certain details on this document “prove” that it’s a forgery.
I’ll wait.
Keep up the good work, gentlemen!
I can’t identify myself here because I’d lose my job. I’m a low level employee of the US State Department attached to the Overseas Service and I just finished a conference call with two lawyers in London and two journalists from Politico.com who all stated that they just left a late meeting at the London Foreign Office and they were assured that “The Kenyan birth certificate is without question, 100% authentic.”
I’m not surprised.
August 3, 2009 at 7:48 pm
David Weigal got his info from this koyann character and his suspicious website that was just started in Jan. from what I can tell so far from my research tonight.
I smell lots of rats and David Weigal is one of them.
check the profile...it was a “Guest user”
FR looks good in the article. Nice job!
I disagree.
The appearance of retreat or withdrawal can be deceiving.
They’re on the defensive like the Carthaginians were on the defensive at Cannae.
Some times you think you are winning. Right up until the trap snaps shut.
FWIW though, I couldn't disagree more.
We'll fight this Marxist on all fronts, just like he's attacking us, well win too.
"And then you can try to win public sentiment for impeachment on what amounts to a legal technicality"
We'll see what the military has to say about that when and if it happens.
They would revolt in huge numbers.
Found on his website:
by Litlebritdifrnt2 » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:20 pm
Wooo hoooo Dave Weigel is logged in, hey Dave!
by Justin » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:24 pm
Welcome, Dave. Good to have you here.
Justin
Owner/Admin
by realist » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:26 pm
Litlebritdifrnt2 wrote:
Wooo hoooo Dave Weigel is logged in, hey Dave!
Yep...a little birdie emailed him.
Excellent
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