[Melas]

We only recognize 2 levels of citizenship in this country, not three. There are naturalized citizens and natural born citizens.

[Parley Baer]

Well, I refuse to be intimidated for trying to uphold the Constitution. All I want to see is proof that Barry is a natural born citizen as per the Constitution. People can call me all the names they want but I’m not budging.

[UCFRoadWarrior]

Excellent post....

From now on...everytime a faux-con after-birther waxes poetic about the constitution, liberty, law, morals, etc....remember that they really do not believe in those things if they are calling birthers “kooks”

Obama’s eligibility to be President is probably the most important constitutional issue of our time....and we have fraud-cons siding up with DailyKos and HuffPo

[Phlyer]

What is the source of your definitions? If you just made them up yourself (and I haven't seen anything similar anywhere else), then you're just begging the question. You've created a definition that makes you right . . . but anyone else is logically able to create their own definition that makes them right. No one convinces the other.

I think Melas has the correct understanding. There are natural-born citizens and naturalized citizens. One obtains their citizenship by right of birth, either because their parents are citizens or because they were born 'in the US' (defined in various ways, as for McCain). The other obtains their citizenship through a naturalization process when the 'natural-born' conditions do not apply.

Since it is acknowledged that Obama's parents were not both US citizens, then his only claim to citizenship is that he was born in the United States. It's either true or not.

In fact, I think he was born in Hawaii. I just think that if there is even the slightest question about it, he should be required to demonstrate it unambiguously. Right now, there are any number of ways that his citizenship could have been faked.

The real issue is whether the burden of proof is on him to show that he is qualified for the office, or whether the burden of proof is on someone else to show that he is not. Since he is in power, there is no incentive for him to take on that burden of proof, particularly since he probably can't prove it unambiguously due to the standards of record-keeping in Hawaii at the time.

[Former Fetus]

Question: My husband has been a US citizen since birth, but I became a citizen in 2000, that is 5 years after my youngest one was born. Both my children were born in the US, one parent was a US citizen but the other became a citizen after they were born. Are they natural born citizens or not? It seems to me that they are more than native born citizens, since at this time both their parents are US citizens, but they may not measure up to natural born citizens. Am I right? If so, what would you call this 4th class of citizens?

[OldNavyVet]

What about the “Anchor” babies; those born of a foreign national mother on American soil?

[mlo]

Your definitions are all wrong.

[wintertime]

What I find so amazing about the “birther bashers” (or “afterbirthers” as I call them) is that they have so little appreciation for the complexity of Obama’s citizenship dilemma.
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Hillary,

We are dealing with Marxists here. Of course they understand the “complexity”! They are **lying**! They are deliberately and maliciously **lying**!

All Marxists lie!

Their goal is to confuse the American public. But...I suspect that American public is smarter than the Marxists believe. The American public is thinking, “ Why spend nearly a million dollars worth of attorney time? An honest president would be honored to provide and long form birth certificate and any other relevant documentation.”

[screaming eagle2]

interesting arguemnt