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The government will have direct access to all bank accounts for electronic funds transfer to pay
Rush Limbaugh .com ^ | 8/04/09 | The Maha

Posted on 08/04/2009 4:46:48 PM PDT by Libloather

RUSH: Now, somebody tell me how in the world anyone could take that out of context. That is a full 43 seconds, no edits, we didn't take sentences out of order and assemble them in a way we wanted. A single payer health care plan, universal health care plan, that's what I'd like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately, because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House. Now they've done that, now they're going for single payer health care. I don't know why they did this. We think of these people as brilliant in the Alinsky sense. All they're doing is calling attention his lies. All they're doing is calling attention to his deceit. All they're doing is causing people to go back and get these full fledged clips and play them all over the place, radio, television. Linda Douglass looks like a sap. Linda Douglass looks like what she is, a propagandist former employee of state-controlled media.

On page 16 of the House bill, it's right there, and you've heard people quote from it. I'm going to summarize it, page 16 : private insurance will become illegal. Insurance companies cannot write new policies, people will lose their existing policy if they change jobs, if they change coverage, or if they change prices. Once any aspect of your private health insurance changes after this bill goes into effect, you can't renew it. You have to go public option. On page 29 of the House bill, it is admitted that our health care will be rationed. On page 42, the health choices commissioner will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. Page 58, every person will be issued a national ID health card, and it will probably have that stupid logo that reminds me of World War II, frankly, when you look at it, you'll say the same thing. The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer to pay. Yes, my friends, the federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer, meaning from your account to them. They will be able to debit your account for health expenses. That's on page 59, go get the bill. I'm summarizing here for you.

On page 72, all private health care plans must conform to government rules to participate in a health care exchange. Any individual who doesn't have acceptable health care defined by the government will be taxed two-and-a-half percent of their income each year. Officers and employees of government health care bureaucracy will have access to all American financial and personal records, page 195. Page 203, the tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax. I'm quoting from the actual bill. I've got numerous examples but I'm way over time here. But, Ms. Douglas, you've been made a sap on this, and you've only caused even more attention to be focused on what your boss actually intends and what is in the House bill. It's there. This campaign of fraud and deceit is exactly why the American people are up in arms, and it's exactly why you and your party are looking at them with deep contempt. This wasn't part of the plan. The American people weren't supposed to figure all this out. They are just supposed to bow down and say, "Thank you for caring about us."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: accounts; bank; barackobama; bho44; deathcare; government; obama; obamacare
The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer to pay. Yes, my friends, the federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer, meaning from your account to them. They will be able to debit your account for health expenses. That's on page 59, go get the bill. I'm summarizing here for you.

That's a new one...

1 posted on 08/04/2009 4:46:49 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

This was being discussed on talk radio today. I almost crashed the car!


2 posted on 08/04/2009 4:48:34 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Libloather

bump


3 posted on 08/04/2009 4:48:46 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (My new favorite quote "You can't organize clutter.")
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To: Libloather

Nope, it’s been there since the beginning.

Many of the summaries put out flagged it as an issue.


4 posted on 08/04/2009 4:49:25 PM PDT by Tarpon (You relinquish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: Libloather

I posted that weeks ago.
But, I’m glad Rush is pointing it out. Maybe people will sit up and take notice.


5 posted on 08/04/2009 4:50:40 PM PDT by Marty62
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To: Libloather

Now we are beginning to see why Nancy, Obama, and Reid wanted this thing passed before recess. Before they come back from break I predict many of the dim members will gain a whole new outlook.


6 posted on 08/04/2009 4:52:38 PM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: Libloather

It’s a 1000 page bill. It’ll take some time to read it. That’s why the 0 wants to push it through NOW!


7 posted on 08/04/2009 4:53:26 PM PDT by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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To: Tarpon

I was trying to explain this to my looney liberal help the poor people liberal friend today. From her perspective its good if everyone gets free health care and she does not feel her quality of health care will suffer since as she stated “rich people will always have good health care and they can pay doctors directly if need be.”


8 posted on 08/04/2009 4:53:46 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Libloather

And nobody wanted Real ID cuz it was too close to a national ID.


9 posted on 08/04/2009 4:56:12 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: Boardwalk

Did you ask her the simple question, how do you cover the extra 47 million people with no new doctors and no additional costs.


10 posted on 08/04/2009 4:58:53 PM PDT by Tarpon (You relinquish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: Libloather

They just keep pushing.


11 posted on 08/04/2009 5:00:57 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Tarpon

According to her doctors will go underground to make money servicing wealthy clients, and of course, these will be the best doctors that money can buy.


12 posted on 08/04/2009 5:02:30 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Tarpon

The problem is in the wording of the bill. It says that the appropriate billing agency will be able to bill using direct access.

If you were to see the same wording in organizational papers for a private venture it could easily be construed that the venture will be able to accept funds using direct deposit. That would certainly be appropriate. Since it was a statement from a private firm, there would be no concern that the prescribed billing would occur without the consent of the billed.

However, since this wording occurs in the organizational papers of a government venture, one could surmise that the wording empowers that government entity to bill clients directly without their consent. In my view this is a possible reading of the bill. It may not be the intent of the writers. It may not be how it would be implemented. It may be that, if the bill passes, that the implementation is merely to note that the appropriate agencies will implement a way to accept direct billing from accounts as a service to the clients.

However, and this is the crux of the problem with the whole idea of government impinging on the private health care system, there is also the possibility that even IF the most benign interpretation was intended by Congress, since this is a government program there is nothing to keep bureaucrats from construing this, and any number of phrases in this bill, in a way which would be a grievous imposition on our basic rights.

This is the fundamental reason why government should only be used as a tool of last resort after all other methods have failed. This is irrespective of any arguments one may have that this whole endeavor is grossly unconstitutional!


13 posted on 08/04/2009 5:04:27 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Boardwalk

“Hi! We’re from the government and we’re here to give you a receipt for the funds we transfered out of your checking account. Have a nice day!”


14 posted on 08/04/2009 5:04:53 PM PDT by MrDem (From Morning in America to Mourning in America...)
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To: Libloather

Looks lke I am going to need to close my bank account...come and get my money from my cold dead hands...


15 posted on 08/04/2009 5:04:53 PM PDT by bethlehem
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To: Boardwalk

One of my Coworkers came unglued!


16 posted on 08/04/2009 5:05:37 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Libloather

This is Marxism and must be stopped at all costs!


17 posted on 08/04/2009 5:05:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: holdonnow

Ping.


18 posted on 08/04/2009 5:06:46 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Libloather

Sounds like something out of the Book of Revelation.


19 posted on 08/04/2009 5:09:07 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Libloather

Idiotic boneheads who voted for any Democrat in the last four years are so stupid that they don’t even think about what they’ve done to themselves and everybody else. Oysters are smarter than Democrat voters!


20 posted on 08/04/2009 5:11:42 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: La Lydia

PG 195 officers & employees of HealthCare Administration (Government) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records.


21 posted on 08/04/2009 5:14:28 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: bethlehem

Yup, buy a safe, drill it into your basement floor, remove all funds from checking and savings account and destroy the banking system in the process.


22 posted on 08/04/2009 5:14:50 PM PDT by goldi (')
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To: goldi

The brown shirts will come looking for people with no bank accounts (who are not illegals).


23 posted on 08/04/2009 5:15:54 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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PG64 L 21-25, pg65 L 1-5 which refers to processing payment transactions by financial institutions

What does that mean in terms of scope and power of the ‘public option’?


24 posted on 08/04/2009 5:16:39 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: Marty62

This is what happens when evil is allowed to grow unchecked. The clueless better wake up. Zero’s DeathCare is legalized Euthanasia. A Holocaust made legal by the US Congress.

So that we and the world never forget:

http://maoz.convio.net/site/PageServer?pagename=maoz_holocaust_video


25 posted on 08/04/2009 5:19:05 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Libloather
Oh, this is nothing , before these red sons of bitches are done destroying the economy we will be just like Husseins buddies over in Zimbabwe


26 posted on 08/04/2009 5:22:32 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Hussein Baraka Mook Kebba)
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To: Libloather

You can be very sure it is there. I read the whole thing just like I obtained a read a copy of Hillarycare. You have to forfeit your bank information to the feds. Big brother can debit you and if they change any rules, which is why they go to Congress each year, to tweak and tweak the rules, you may very well be debited for a FAT tax cause you eat to much!!!


27 posted on 08/04/2009 5:29:00 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (Health "care" - by the same folks who run Amtrak and the post office)
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To: Libloather
Before I get started with this I want to say that I am 100% opposed to obamacare and believe, if passed, it will have a horrible affect on our country. Now...

I really love Rush. He is an outstanding spokesman for our cause. But, as regards, The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer to pay. Yes, my friends, the federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer, meaning from your account to them. They will be able to debit your account for health expenses. That's on page 59, go get the bill. I'm summarizing here for you.

I think he's stepped in it big time. I sincerely doubt Rush read page 59 before making that statement.

Here is the entire page 59 of the bill (sorry for the formatting, they don't make it easy, emphasis mine)

59 ‘‘(H) harmonize all common data elements across administrative and clinical transaction standards. ‘‘(3) TIME FOR ADOPTION.—Not later than 2 years after the date of implementation of the X12 Version 5010 transaction standards implemented under this part, the Secretary shall adopt standards under this section. ‘‘(4) REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIFIC STAND- ARDS.—The standards under this section shall be developed, adopted and enforced so as to— ‘‘(A) clarify, refine, complete, and expand, as needed, the standards required under section 1173; ‘‘(B) require paper versions of standard- ized transactions to comply with the same standards as to data content such that a fully compliant, equivalent electronic transaction can be populated from the data from a paper version; ‘‘(C) enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance ad- vice;
The item Rush is talking about is item C, just above.

This section of the bill is titled, SEC. 1173A. STANDARDIZE ELECTRONIC ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS. You'll find the section heading on page 57. Pages 57, 58 (the one Rush is referring to) and 59-65 layout the guidelines for physicians filing electronic, as opposed to paper, healthcare claims.

Item C above, the one scores of people are claiming gives the Feds the right to tromp through your bank account, actually addresses electronic payment of claims to the physician, along with the remittance advice (FWIW, the payors group payments to the same physician and send one check which may be for several thousand dollars and pay for many patients. The remittance advice is a break down of which procedures for which patients the check is for).

I urge everybody to get a copy of the bill and read it for yourself (not an easy task, I can guarantee that). If you can't read all of it, at least read the salient parts people are using to try and back up outrageous claims like the one above.

You can get a copy of the bill here. It is in PDF format and is about a 1.7MB download.

For further reference, see this FR thread.

28 posted on 08/04/2009 5:30:45 PM PDT by upchuck (Psalm 109:8 ~ Let his days be few; and let another take his office.)
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To: the_Watchman

Can someone explain, in layman’s terms, the provision that makes it illegal to change your health insurance after this is implemented?


29 posted on 08/04/2009 5:30:56 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (My new favorite quote "You can't organize clutter.")
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To: advance_copy
Oysters are smarter than Democrat voters!

Need to rewrite: "Oysters are smarter than Democrat voters and Republicans who didn't vote"

30 posted on 08/04/2009 5:32:09 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

Good point.


31 posted on 08/04/2009 5:57:18 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: Libloather

Time to cash out!


32 posted on 08/04/2009 6:05:02 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: goldi
Indeed. Welcome back to the cash economy. Explosive growth of the gray market, paychecks made out to John Smith to be cashed at patriotic check-cashing services and friendly corner taverns. If this crap passes, watch for American private initiative to defeat the stolid gubmint leftwing thugs.

When it comes to the gubbermint we are the greatest scam artists in the world. We must now join our 'rat brethren in considering this a virtue.

33 posted on 08/04/2009 6:30:57 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

You’re probably right.


34 posted on 08/04/2009 6:33:38 PM PDT by goldi (')
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To: Libloather

It’s like a new IRA - only not as nice...


35 posted on 08/04/2009 6:35:49 PM PDT by GOPJ ( Obama "the joker" creates terror by chaos and confusion - pitting people against each other-FR:KitJ)
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To: combat_boots
PG 195 officers & employees of HealthCare Administration (Government) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records.

Have you read page 195 or are you just parroting something you got from someone else?

Here is all of page 195 (sorry for the formatting, they don't make it easy)

195 Health Choices Act of 2009, shall disclose to of- ficers and employees of the Health Choices Ad- ministration or such State-based health insur- ance exchange, as the case may be, return in- formation of any taxpayer whose income is rel- evant in determining any affordability credit de- scribed in subtitle C of title II of the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009. Such return information shall be limited to— ‘‘(i) taxpayer identity information with respect to such taxpayer, ‘‘(ii) the filing status of such tax- payer, ‘‘(iii) the modified adjusted gross in- come of such taxpayer (as defined in sec- tion 59B(e)(5)), ‘‘(iv) the number of dependents of the taxpayer, ‘‘(v) such other information as is pre- scribed by the Secretary by regulation as might indicate whether the taxpayer is eli- gible for such affordability credits (and the amount thereof), and ‘‘(vi) the taxable year with respect to which the preceding information relates or,
Please highlight the section where, "officers & employees of HealthCare Administration (Government) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records."

We have GOT to stop spreading misinformation like this. It makes us look like fools. We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. This is killing our credibility.

36 posted on 08/04/2009 7:07:44 PM PDT by upchuck (Psalm 109:8 ~ Let his days be few; and let another take his office.)
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To: Marty62
yes....I remember seeing it.....

do people realize that the govt will simply TAKE a portion of your money whenever?

everyone better realize that the "rates" will be different for different people.....if you are considered "rich" because you have a few bucks in your retirement account, you may pay three times what some schmuck pays that has no money saved.....

we are getting the shaft again....

37 posted on 08/04/2009 10:51:26 PM PDT by cherry
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To: hinckley buzzard
well we could start putting our money under our mattresses, but they'll be changing to the amero dollar and then what....

the govt will be able to track everything you do....

I guess NOW would be the time to stop using credit cards or debit cards or checks.....eliminate a trail that the feds can follow up on......cash your paycheck immediately and claim you're a gambling addict or a drunk, or similar...how can they prove differently?....at least you'll have a few bucks to give to our kids.....

38 posted on 08/04/2009 10:56:26 PM PDT by cherry
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To: hinckley buzzard
well we could start putting our money under our mattresses, but they'll be changing to the amero dollar and then what....

the govt will be able to track everything you do....

I guess NOW would be the time to stop using credit cards or debit cards or checks.....eliminate a trail that the feds can follow up on......cash your paycheck immediately and claim you're a gambling addict or a drunk, or similar...how can they prove differently?....at least you'll have a few bucks to give to our kids.....

39 posted on 08/04/2009 10:58:38 PM PDT by cherry
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To: upchuck

I the language from the flecksman twitter page.

Officers language
“...shall disclose to of- ficers and employees of the Health Choices Ad- ministration or such State-based health insur- ance exchange, as the case may be, return in- formation of any taxpayer whose income is rel- evant in determining any affordability credit de- scribed in subtitle C of title II of the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009.

IRS information:
“‘‘(i) taxpayer identity information with respect to such taxpayer, ‘‘(ii) the filing status of such tax- payer, ‘‘(iii) the modified adjusted gross in- come of such taxpayer (as defined in sec- tion 59B(e)(5)), ‘‘(iv) the number of dependents of the taxpayer.

Relevant clause on financial information:
“v) such other information as is pre- scribed by the Secretary by regulation as might indicate whether the taxpayer is eli- gible for such affordability credits (and the amount thereof)”


40 posted on 08/05/2009 2:17:02 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch; upchuck

This is the fleckman twitter page link:

Health Care Bill Summary From Peter Fleckenstein’s Twitter Account: http://twitter.com/fleckman

Peter Fleckenstein’s Twitter Account ^ | July 24, 2009 | Peter Fleckenstein

Per upchuck, going to the bill itself may provide more clarity.

So...

Page 16 of the House Health Care plan says:

“Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of the year the legislation becomes law.”

Also see:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=332548165656854


41 posted on 08/05/2009 2:26:34 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: combat_boots
The flecksman twitter page is one of the misleading lists I wrote about.

PG 195 officers & employees of HealthCare Administration (Government) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records.

Note the emphasized "ALL."

Then note the part of the bill from pg 195 that says (emphasis mine), "“...shall disclose to of- ficers and employees of the Health Choices Ad- ministration or such State-based health insur- ance exchange, as the case may be, return information of any taxpayer whose income is relevant in determining any affordability credit described in subtitle C of title II of the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009."

This does not apply to ALL taxpayers, just those that will get a tax credit to help pay for their health insurance.

If the government is going to be help some people pay their insurance, doesn't it make sense that a protocol be established to determine who these people are? That's what this part of the bill does.

42 posted on 08/05/2009 2:31:46 AM PDT by upchuck (Psalm 109:8 ~ Let his days be few; and let another take his office.)
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To: the_Watchman

I think you know exactly what this is all about, and why it’s weasel worded the way it is to obfuscate what is really going to happen. It’s not complicated.

And it’s not Constitutional either.


43 posted on 08/05/2009 4:24:40 AM PDT by Tarpon (You relinquish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: Tarpon

I do believe that the general intent of the bill is to unconstitutionally take control of the medical services of our economy. This particular provision, however, could simply be an attempt to state that the services to be provided can be paid for via direct billing from the customer accounts. If I were setting up a hospital, I might include very similar wording in the administrative directives. My point is that being a private entity, you would have no concern about the implementation of these directives at my private hospital.

I provide my observations simply to point out that there is a somewhat logical explanation for these provisions. Conservatives attempting to undermine the bill; e.g., us, may find the response to our complaints to be that this is merely a statement that the agencies will be able to direct bill, therefore, what’s the big fuss. At that point, our response should be that another valid interpretation of this provision is that clients will have to accede to direct billing from their bank accounts in order to get services. A true liberal will counter that our interpretation is a “stretch”. At this juncture, you, the conservative, should point out that nobody would have to worry about such language being a “stretch” if the enterprise were left in the private sector, where it belongs!

Thus, I am not trying to give cover to this bill. Instead, I am suggesting that this particular provision may simply be the result of haste on their part and the dangers entailed from these provisions are inherent only because they apply, inappropriately to a government enterprise.

The wording of this provision and others demonstrates that the writers have no general regard for individual liberty. It also demonstrates a false level of detail attempting to mislead the public into believing it is well thought out.

I think that Free Republic should devote a thread to the best arguments to bring up in town halls and short discussions. So far, the videos have produced one fellow who commented that Congress wants to push healthcare reform through in 6 weeks when Obama took 6 months to choose a dog for his kids. Another good rejoinder was the guy who asked the congressman why he wasn’t going to be covered by this “great” healthcare plan. [The congressman made NO response.] One-liners such as these provide sound bites which can have a big impact and are easy to grasp by the general public.


44 posted on 08/05/2009 9:23:41 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: the_Watchman

They are throwing the Constitution in the toilet and flushing it.


45 posted on 08/05/2009 9:45:47 AM PDT by Tarpon (You relinquish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: Caipirabob; Liz; AT7Saluki; writer33
Time to cash out!

Question - what happens if the balance is zero? Do they bill one of your credit cards?

I just heard that Fox News will cover this aspect of the scam some time on Thursday.

46 posted on 08/05/2009 6:32:00 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea Totaler, PROUD Birther)
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To: Libloather

And today, August 12th, 8 days later, we hear that the IRS will be getting access to all the accounts in Switzerland. So US citizens that have moved or want to or plan to shift funds into Swiss accounts are now doomed. Thank you EU and the international court crap.


47 posted on 08/12/2009 1:10:06 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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