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Women aren’t equal to men - especially not the feminists
Times of London ^ | August 9, 2009 | Minette Marrin

Posted on 08/08/2009 4:39:06 PM PDT by GOPGuide

Men and women really are different. The findings of hard science – in endocrinology, brain structure and function and genetics, for instance – have forced rational feminists to admit that, statistically speaking, men and women have different aptitudes, interests and responses, little though this is yet understood. Such generalisations never apply to an individual, of course, and although – for instance – women are underrepresented at the extremes of intelligence and statistically are less good at higher maths, chess, musical composition and physics, any one woman might be brilliant.

Similarly, while women tend in general to be less aggressive and more conciliatory, there are plenty of ferocious females and Wodehouse aunts, and plenty of men who are shrinking violets – with obvious implications for their working lives.

The point here, and it’s another centrally important fact, which feminists either don’t know or refuse to admit, is that you would not therefore necessarily expect men and women to be equally represented in any particular occupation. The fact that just two out of 25 top maths dons or bond traders or gangmasters are men, say, is not self-evidently due to discrimination against women mathematicians, bond traders or gangers (although it may be). And this underlies an obvious killer fact for the politics of equality: equality of opportunity is not the same thing as equality of outcome.

It is a dangerous mistake doggedly to pursue equality of outcome and equal numbers of men and women in everything. The entire basis of the gender equality movement, equality by numbers, stems from an unquestioned and wrong assumption, taken as fact in defiance of the actual truth.

The tragedy of feminism is that it has been dogged, or perhaps I should say bitched, by a lot of fixed ideas and unquestioned beliefs.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: feminism; men; sexdifferences; women
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To: goat granny

Wow! that is a great song, I hadn’t heard it before but here it is on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q85rPq1u9sc

It reminds me of my days when at 17 I could pass for 21 and finally got to hit the Airline Drive, violent bar strip in Houston that I had read about for years in the newspapers, where men died every weekend over whatever, or as the newspaper used to like to write, “man gunned down, or knifed, or beaten to death, over 25 cent pool game. You also learned that many guys kept their guns in the car or would fetch their shotguns from the apartment or their weekly rental motel, so you learned that if you had trouble with an individual and ran him off that you did not want to exit through the front door, but instead go out the back when you left or ask someone that wouldn’t be tied to you to go outside and check the situation.

The pool tables always seemed to be where the action was in the news accounts and so it was, in Texas in those days you did not politely put your quarter up and wait your turn. It was odd when I would come to California and everything was so safe and gentle, when I would hitchhike from one to the other to live for a while I always had to adjust, in California people took turns at the pool tables based on who’s quarter was first or who’s name was next on a chalk board and no one ever followed you into the bathroom to attempt to do violence or try to rob you.


121 posted on 08/08/2009 11:44:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: SkyDancer
...so what if it was written by a woman, the grammar was bad none the less ... guys get into bar fights over women or some macho BS .....

This calls for a review. It was you who posted:

"...are less good at higher maths"

as men are bad at grammar.

"tend in general to be less aggressive"

I'd like to go one-on-one with this guy at air combat maneuvering ... should be fun ....

"The tragedy of feminism is that it has been dogged, or perhaps I should say bitched, by a lot of fixed ideas and unquestioned beliefs."

Usually by men.

But in fact, your sarcasm in the first comment was misguided, considering this article was written by a woman.

Now you say "guys who get into bar fights over women or some macho BS..."

Oh, yes of course! And you would know what 'macho BS' is, having indulged in put-down macho posturing yourself: "I'd like to go one-on-one with this guy at air combat maneuvering ... should be fun ...."

Or maybe not -- since the writer is a WOMAN.

LOL

 

122 posted on 08/09/2009 1:13:42 AM PDT by zipper
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To: JillValentine

One of my favorites. I’ve used it in my stem cell powerpoint.


123 posted on 08/09/2009 1:39:50 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: SkyDancer
I'd like to go one-on-one with this guy at air combat maneuvering ... should be fun ....

Keep in mind he's talking about averages.

Yes, there are women who could mop up the floor with with me. The fact remains that I'm bigger and stronger than the average woman.

And while there are women who are great at math and hard science (and I'm proud to say my daughter the engineer is one of them), despite decades of affirmative action trying to get more women in the hard sciences, the number of women Nobel Prize winners in the hard sciences is tiny (only two Physics winners, Madame Curie in 1903 and Maria Goeppert-Mayer in 1963)

124 posted on 08/09/2009 9:35:01 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: ansel12

Cannot believe anyone that has been to Texas hasn’t heard of Toby Keith...He writes and sings some of the best songs ever....have 5 CD’s of his. Never put out a bad song...


125 posted on 08/09/2009 1:48:08 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

I knew about Toby Keith but had not heard the song, what little I know of country is mostly from the old crowd of Marty Robbins, Hank Williams, Haggard, Hall, Loretta Lynn, George Jones, Mickey Gilly the 1970s outlaw types and the 1940s and 1950s types.

By the time I discovered country and wanted to listen to it on the radio it had already abandoned many of the elements that I like which turned out to be the old school stuff.

I also get into some of the old folk classics of past centuries, my jaw dropped the first time I heard “Knoxville girl” from the 1800s. Here is the Louvin Brothers singing it in 1956.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhMiKeSffns


126 posted on 08/09/2009 2:54:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: GOPGuide
Those MRI scans are obviously SEXIST!

My lib arts professors told me so!
Yes, there's a lot of opposition from the Looney Left (but I repeat myself) to the basic facts.

Unfortunately... there's also a lot of opposition from elements of the Right. They see what is obviously a congenital condition as being part of the "homosexual agenda", and a "lifestyle choice". Many view this as all being a Grand Conspiracy by the Atheistic Scientists to "normalise" perversion.

Meanwhile, the Moonbat "Gender Studies" people see it as a Grand Conspiracy by Right-Wing Scientists and label it "biological determinism" (a BAD thing in their view) because the science shows that it's most definitely not a "subversive lifestyle choice" that tears down traditional gender roles. Rather, it affirms them. Men and women really are different in the way they think. The Lefties don't like that, as it completely undermines the central tenet of Radical Feminism

Consequently, both the Far-Left Marxists and the Far-Right agree on just one thing: this research must be suppressed, and the existence of Transsexuality as a biological Intersex condition must be denied, despite all the evidence. Both groups label them freaks and perverts, one because they disapprove of that, the other because they approve. Both deny any right for Transsexual people to speak for themselves.

127 posted on 08/09/2009 8:01:48 PM PDT by Zoe Brain (Rocket Scientist, Naval Combat System Architect)
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To: goat granny
I wonder where all the transsexuals were before they got publicity, and some surgeon was willing to mutilate them..
A lot would prefer not to have any publicity about what has to be the most embarrassing congenital anomaly possible.

The first "modern" genital reconstruction was in the 1920's. Christine Jorgensen was the best known, but there had been quite a number before the 1950's. Surgery really only advanced to give functional genitalia in the late 60's and early 70's.

Before that.. surgery was performed in Ancient Rome, the cult of Cybele made a religious rite of it. They were known as "Gallae". Hebrew works dating to the Babylonian captivity describe surgery on Tum-Tums, those trans people with visibly abnormal genitalia in order to "reveal" their "hidden gender".

Transsexuality has always existed - it's just that it was either unpublicised, or accepted, as it was (and still is) in many primitive societies. The Winkte(Sioux), Nadle(Navajo), and Two-Spirits(Iroquois etc) amongst American Indians, the fa'fahine in the Pacific islands, the katooi in SE Asia, the huge number of hajira in India, thePokots of Kenya, the Xaniths of Islamic Oman, the Mahu of Tahiti, the Sekrata of Madagascar... Many of these used primitive surgical techniques for thousands of years.

I'm a researcher in Intersex conditions, though my speciality is in neurology rather than general anatomy. I'm particularly interested in those Intersexed people who are Dichogamous. Usually through 5-alpha-reductase-3 deficiency syndrome.

These people look somewhat, mostly, or completely female at birth, but masculinise to look somewhat, mostly or completely male later. You could say that they are "natural occurring Female-to-Male transsexuals".

About 2/3 of them are boys. That is, they have masculinised neuroanatomy. For them, they were transsexual before the change, and the natural change is a miraculous cure.

Unfortunately... 1 in 3 have female neurology. For them, the masculinisation is, well, it's not good. If they're not granted sex reassignment surgery, most kill themselves.

give boys Barbies and girls trucks and cars and we will all be the same...that was the mantra of the 70-80's. Until studies show that the boys would tear off barbies head and use her for a gun bang bang..
Exactly. Except that some people are born with cross-gendered brains, and for them, life is not easy. The medical problems are bad enough, but many people confuse them with Gays, or Perverts. Even many people who are obviously physically Intersexed have the same kind of problems. A lot of people think that Intersex is a myth, or that if it isn't, it's a threat to society and such people should be erased.

Oh yes, Male-to-Female natural changes happen too, but they're less than 1% of those that go the other way. So rare you can ignore them, basically. Unless you happen to be one of them, I suppose...

128 posted on 08/09/2009 8:28:11 PM PDT by Zoe Brain (Rocket Scientist, Naval Combat System Architect)
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To: goat granny
Anything Chocolate is good,
Neurologically speaking... we're not sure whether the female hormones estrogen, estrace or estriol enhances the effects of the neurotransmitters in chocolate, or whether the male hormones testosterone and/or DHT block them.

In any event, while to men chocolate tends to be "Hmm, nice, chocolate", to women it's usually more like "OH MY GOD!!! CHOCOLATE!!!".

129 posted on 08/09/2009 9:07:45 PM PDT by Zoe Brain (Rocket Scientist, Naval Combat System Architect)
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To: Zoe Brain
We will have to agree to disagree on this one...I don't think there is anything genetic about the choice to change gender...These people for the most part are poor souls and for some need the attention, the novelty..

I was around when the Jorgensen case hit the papers...BS then and B S now...but it is politically correct..

A hermaphrodite is a genetic anomaly. Not transexualism, that is just the cultural flavor of the month...

130 posted on 08/09/2009 9:11:30 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Zoe Brain
Anyone that thinks chocolate is good is OK in my book :O)...

I do know some babies born, the sex can not be determined, they usually x-ray them to see what is inside and then raise the child as such...nature has some strange idea's that baffle men...

.And I do believe that for some homosexuality is genetic...even Jesus speaks of those who are eunuchs by birth...but for many my personal opinion is that it is a choice one makes..

Recently on F.R. we had stories of the little girl in India born with 4 arms and 4 legs...have also seen 2 headed babies that did not survive birth...

131 posted on 08/09/2009 9:44:20 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Bookwoman

Like which ways, in your opinion?


132 posted on 09/06/2009 10:52:19 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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