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To: bareford101

Bleh, sorry, Hitler=Obama and Nazi=Democrats argument is over the top. It was stupid used against us during the Bush admin, its useless now. In fact, I think its counter productive. But hey, at least I am consistent...


21 posted on 08/13/2009 3:42:56 PM PDT by Paradox (ObamaCare = Logan's Run ; There is no Sanctuary!)
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To: Paradox

well, at least we disagree pleasantly! thank you.


22 posted on 08/13/2009 3:43:54 PM PDT by bareford101 (What Obama is doing to America is REVERSE-TREASON)
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To: Paradox
Bleh, sorry, Hitler=Obama and Nazi=Democrats argument is over the top.

Maybe for now. Time will tell.

26 posted on 08/13/2009 4:19:03 PM PDT by smokinleroy (Eccl. 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Paradox
Bleh, sorry, Hitler=Obama and Nazi=Democrats argument is over the top.

I don't know about over the top, but it may be inaccurate. I'd equate Obama with Lenin or Stalin myself, instead of Hitler.

The definition of fascism is: "A governmental system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation (industrial, commercial, etc.)" (American College Dictionary, New York: Random House, 1957). While socialism is defined as: "a theory or system of social organization which advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means or production, capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole" (American College Dictionary).

Communist and fascist states certainly have a lot in common, probably more in common than are different, in their implementation. However, the biggest difference, IMO, is how they treat the ownership of property. Individuals under Hitler were allowed to own property, but were considered responsible for using it for the common good. And it could be taken away.

As for the similarities in the implementation of the ideologies, here are some quotes from various Nazis and other fascists: (many of these will overlap with the ones on this thread)

We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunities for employment and earning a living.

The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and for the good of all. Therefore, we demand:...an end to the power of the financial interests.

We demand profit sharing in big business.

We demand a broad extension of care for the aged.

We demand...the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state and municipal governments.

In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education...We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents...

The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth.

[We] combat the...materialistic spirit withn and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good .

(Nazi party platform adopted at Munich, February 24, 1920;Der Nationalsozialismus Dokumente 1933-1945, edited by Walther Hofer, Frankfurt am Main: Fischer Bucherei, 1957, pp. 29-31).

It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole...that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual....This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture....The basic attitude form which such activity arises, we call -- to distinguish it from egoism and selfishness -- idealism. By this we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men.

(Adolf Hitler speaking at Bueckeburg, Oct. 7, 1933; The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-39, ed. N.H. Baynes (2 vols., Oxford, 1942), I, 871-72; translation Professor George Reisman.)

[Fascism stresses] the necessity, for which the older doctrines make little allowance, of sacrifice, even up to the total immolation of individuals, in behalf of society...For Liberalism, the individual is the end and society the means; nor is it conceivable that the individual, considered in the dignity of an ulitmate finality, be lowered to mere instrumentality. For Fascism, society is the end, individuals the means, and its whole life consists in using individuals as instruments for its social ends.

(Alfredo Rocco, "The Political Doctrine of Fascism" (address delivered at Perugia, Aug. 30, 1925); reprinted in Readings on Fascism and National Socialism, pp. 34-35.)

[T]he higher interests involved in the life of the whole...must set the limits an lay down the duties of the interests of the individual.

(Adolf Hitler at Bueckeburg, op cit pg. 872.)

34 posted on 08/14/2009 7:11:09 PM PDT by CottonBall
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