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To: OneWingedShark

Every example you offer differs from 2A in one giant, glaring respect; they do not have the guaranteed potential for taking human life, and they do not have tens of millions of armed, frustrated citizens ready to defend that right. Our legislators, and our enemies, are well aware of what firearms are designed to do.

Please let me know how the right to own a weapon will “soon vanish” if we restrain ourselves from open-carry.

You are correct in one respect; the current administration, democrats and RINOs, are a direct, barely adulterated threat to our Constitution. Thank you for your service to this country.

“You cannot invade the mainland United States; there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” -Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, to the Japanese General Staff


180 posted on 08/18/2009 4:30:32 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: snowrip

>Thank you for your service to this country.

You are welcome.

>You are correct in one respect; the current administration, democrats and RINOs, are a direct, barely adulterated threat to our Constitution.

I personally think that the majority of Congress, the Executive, and the USSC should be tried for treason, negligence, and/or corruption.

>Please let me know how the right to own a weapon will “soon vanish” if we restrain ourselves from open-carry.

Ok, I live in New Mexico, an open-carry state. {The state Constitution even prohibits Counties and Municipalities from regulating firearms.} I can give you two de facto examples:

Several months ago I went into a Burger King after buying an old 22 rifle. I’d brought the weapon with me because I didn’t want to leave it in my truck... so I went in ordered, sat my gun down on the table in front of me (barrel toward the wall) and ate my food and read a bit of a book I was working on at the time. As I was finishing the Assistant Manager came up to me and said that the weapon “was scaring people” and that it wasn’t legal for me to have it in the restaurant. (A lie, because of the aforementioned Constitutional barring of infringing city/county ordinances.) Since I was already finished, I simply left, though in retrospect maybe it would have been better to have asked to see the manager and tell them that I don;t enjoy being lied to about the law and shown them my copy of the state constitution (Art 2, Sec 6).

Another incident was with the tea party’s security. I happened to bring along a plastic sparring-sword, not even a real weapon, and was turned away by security even though the protest was being held on public property... the irritating thing was that the guy ‘agreed’ with me and yet insisted that “weapons aren’t allowed” and “there’s a police station across the street”.

So, even though I DO have the right to open-carry, technically & legally speaking, socially I do not. (And this is New Mexico, you don’t get much more ‘out west’ than this.)

Also, given that attitude and a populist push, it may come down to a federal law being passed to restrict said rights.

>Every example you offer differs from 2A in one giant, glaring respect; they do not have the guaranteed potential for taking human life, and they do not have tens of millions of armed, frustrated citizens ready to defend that right.

What is life when anyone, or even a ‘protected’ group of people, can deprive you of other rights? What justice is there when someone can rob another person and be held legal and acceptable in court? [Keelo v. New England] What value does such an entity [government] place on life? Two examples, here in America and in my lifetime, spring to mind: Ruby Ridge and Waco.

With Waco the branch Dividian was within its rights and pushed into its compound by Janet Reno’s ‘task force.’ The end-result was almost a hundred American lives, many of them children, lost at the hands of ‘official action’ by the government. (The book Constitutional Chaos has a lot of information on this, and other incidents with the government and its agents acting in illegal manner.)

Another incident, perhaps relevant, would be the Tiananmen Square Protests in China. The government had to call in military forces from elsewhere to perform the massacre because the local military-forces would not... there could be a psychological link/similarity in the calling of ATF/FBI into the Waco situation, as well as the FBI in the Ruby Ridge situation.

Our legislators, and our enemies, are well aware of what firearms are designed to do.


192 posted on 08/19/2009 6:52:21 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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