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Britain's blade culture claims another victim ...Scouts' penknives
Daily Mail ^ | 6 SEP 2009 | David Wilkes

Posted on 09/06/2009 1:59:53 PM PDT by greatdefender

Along with a box of matches and a piece of string, they've always been an essential part of a Scout's kit.

But now penknives are going to be restricted on scouting trips as a seemingly innocent tradition succumbs to concerns over the nation's blade culture.

The Scout Association is advising boys and their parents that they should not bring such knives to camp - despite it being legal for anyone to carry a foldable, nonlocking blade in a public place as long as it is shorter than 3ins.

Scouts have been taught to carry knives and have used them to cut firewood, prepare food or carve tools ever since Lord Baden-Powell founded the movement more than a century ago.

But in a recent edition of their official in-house magazine, Scouting, they are advised that neither they nor their parents should bring penknives to camp.

Knife-maker Dave Budd, who runs courses training Scouts about the safe use of blades from his base on Dartmoor, Devon, said the rise in knife crime - up 50 per cent in just one year - demanded ' clarification' of the guidance.

He wrote: 'The series of high-profile fatal stabbings highlighted a growing knife culture in the UK. Now the general public is unsure of the law on knives.

'Scouts often have the need for a good knife, and in the early days every Scout was actively encouraged to put a knife on their belt. Sadly, there is now confusion about when a Scout is allowed to carry a knife.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ban; knife; safety; scout

1 posted on 09/06/2009 1:59:55 PM PDT by greatdefender
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To: greatdefender

This is ridiculous! Learning how to whittle was my first introduction to knives in Scouts. Now our friends across the Pond are being restricted from learning even basic knife survival? All in the name of what: political correctness? The law-abiding are being treated like common criminals.

The UK is playing to the lowest common denominator of their culture, and as a result, they are losing their culture. Pray for our friends and pray that this sort of BS doesn’t come to our shores.


2 posted on 09/06/2009 2:02:13 PM PDT by rarestia (Confutatis maledictis, voca me cum benedictis)
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To: greatdefender
They may whittle their little fingers off.
3 posted on 09/06/2009 2:02:43 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: greatdefender

Chewing the wood in shape to make what you need.


4 posted on 09/06/2009 2:04:12 PM PDT by allmost
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To: greatdefender

UK Boy Scout motto: Be Unprepared.


5 posted on 09/06/2009 2:04:17 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: greatdefender

The wussification of the Free Society continues!


6 posted on 09/06/2009 2:08:37 PM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: greatdefender

And when knives are banned, will a resulting 50% increase in sharpened-stick violence indicate a growing “stick-culture” in the UK?

This is beyond silly. What will happen to the UK when they are reduced to a minority of military/police with weapons skills and a majority who cannot legally or skillfully use anything as a weapon? A feudalism redux?


7 posted on 09/06/2009 2:09:43 PM PDT by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: greatdefender

You could see this coming a mile away. First they come for your guns, then they come for your knives. Eventually, they’ll come for your cricket mallets and anything else that could conceivably used as a weapon.

Of course, the Muslims won’t live under such restraints. Bomb-making materials won’t be outlawed until long after they’ve removed everything one could use to fight back.


8 posted on 09/06/2009 2:10:03 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: greatdefender

A knife is a tool no more -no less.

If someone got hit with a hammer would they outlaw hammers?

Certainly knife attacks have increased in the UK. They outlawed guns,. If someone wishes you harm they will find a weapon. Knife ,Gun, Hatchet, a Piece of rope.

This is so ridiculous.


9 posted on 09/06/2009 2:10:35 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: greatdefender

They’ll outlaw teeth and fingernails next! The UK has become ridiculous!


10 posted on 09/06/2009 2:12:02 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: greatdefender

Death of a once great nation...and it all began with firearms restrictions...for their own good.


11 posted on 09/06/2009 2:12:15 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: rarestia
Please, end women’s suffrage.
12 posted on 09/06/2009 2:12:23 PM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: greatdefender; Peanut Gallery

I would make a crack like “how about a banana”, but we know that’s about all they have left.


13 posted on 09/06/2009 2:13:35 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (No Kay, No Way.)
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To: greatdefender

Yu changed the Title. I doubt “knifes” was in the title, being it’s not a noun.


14 posted on 09/06/2009 2:14:28 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: greatdefender

15 posted on 09/06/2009 2:14:38 PM PDT by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: Venturer
"If someone got hit with a hammer would they outlaw hammers?"

Doubtlessly that is coming...first they will license them, then they will ban them for all but union members who will have to keep them in their lockers at work.

If you wish to see the future of America following the path we are currently on, you need look no further than the UK.
16 posted on 09/06/2009 2:14:48 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: greatdefender
Britain sinks deeper into the morass. This is the most pathetic thing I've heard in a long time.

The question is this. Who's making these decisions and what can the people who are offended by them do about it?
17 posted on 09/06/2009 2:14:59 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: greatdefender

“UK Scouts are prohibited from bring knifes”

In addition to not being fluent in English.


18 posted on 09/06/2009 2:15:23 PM PDT by PLMerite (Speak Truth to Stupid.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Actually, the UK has outlawed teeth already. In a matter of speaking. With their socialized medical care, dentists are few and far in between and the people are just pulling out their own teeth instead of waiting months or years for dental care. SO, the moral of this story is, they ARE banning the use of teeth.


19 posted on 09/06/2009 2:16:26 PM PDT by antiunion person (PALIN/COULTER 2012)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Next thing ya know....

they will outlaw guns too.

(What’s that? They have? Well. Then the next thing ya know.... they’ll be overrun by muzzies. What’s that???....)


20 posted on 09/06/2009 2:21:30 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: greatdefender

Right!!! Well then... henceforth, all things sharp will be banned, and all things pointy shall also be banned, and anything that is sharp AND pointy is right out!!!

Also, things that are blunt are banned, and things that are heavy are banned, and things that are blunt AND heavy are RIGHT OUT AS WELL!!!

Well, lets see... that about cover it then???

they were England when they were an Empire, but then they became meek and became england. Now they are apse'rs and have become undone, they are now UNgland...

21 posted on 09/06/2009 2:28:13 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Venturer
If someone got hit with a hammer would they outlaw hammers?

Of course! You don’t remember “Maxwell’s Silver Hammer”?

22 posted on 09/06/2009 2:30:41 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: greatdefender; RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; ...

PC-ism and nanny-ism run wild hurts Scouting.


23 posted on 09/06/2009 2:31:29 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Professional Engineer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfIkMXw_YM4


24 posted on 09/06/2009 2:34:19 PM PDT by wolfpat (Moderate=Clueless)
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To: greatdefender
At least many of the comments are correctly appalled by this senseless decision:

This is on the same lines as the gun law. All those who owned guns for sport or recreational purposes were denied them, whilst those, who were meant to be deprived of them, were the very criminals that the law was devised for. Now the only people owning guns and knives are these hooligans and criminals who don't give a fig for the law anyway.

- Anthony,
Norfolk,
6/9/2009 3:33

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One of the aims of scouting as I see it is to learn to live with Nature. i.e. Living in the wild. To do this you need a knife to cut wood, carve tools, cut ropes and string, carve your food and many other chores. Its no good being in the middle of the wilderness and then having to go back to base to see the Scout Skip to ask for the use of a knife. If taught to handle a knife properly, then I see no problem with it. Any hoodlum can get a large carving knfe from his Mum's kitchen drawer and carve up his friends in the street.

- Trevor Harvey Morris,
Thrapston, England,
6/9/2009 3:30

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Great, punish the innocent yet again. Why oh why do we not punish the people who commit knife crimes instead?

- NeilB,
Watford, Herts,
6/9/2009 3:01

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So, in the UK "Be Prepared" is no longer the Boy Scout motto; to be replaced by "Let the Government control your actions"?

Learn to tie knots, but you can't cut rope or twine; so odds are this won't help... unless you have conveniently pre-cut rope that is the correct length. Learn to set up a makeshift tent; assuming you can gnaw through the sticks to make your uprights even. Learn to make a snare.. but you'll never actually get to, because you can't cut either the rope or sticks to do so.

So basically learn to do things you'll never get to do. And as you'll never do them, you won't remember how to if you ever need to. So you'll learn nothing, and be prepared for nothing.

Scouting will now help kids feel protected in a bubble, while never letting them do anything... so they'll be unprepared for anything in life. Given that, why bother? Might as well let them play video games.

Congratulations on taking a worthwhile learning experience and stripping it of all value.

- Gekkobear,
Colorado Springs, USA,
6/9/2009 5:11


25 posted on 09/06/2009 2:58:15 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: rarestia

When our ancestors fled Europe to escape serfdom they did not even know how to hunt.

The English legend I grew up on was Robin Hood. I have two compound bows, one is for lefties and the other is a right handed bow. The ability to shoot the King’s deer is a God given right. I have the same respect for modern illegal laws that Robin Hood had for the Sheriff of Nottingham.

Note: I never violate the laws even if I disrespect them and am not advocating that anyone else do.


26 posted on 09/06/2009 3:05:46 PM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen (Let's redistribute your wealth to those who look like me and vote for me.)
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To: OrangeHoof
Eventually, they’ll come for your cricket mallets and anything else that could conceivably used as a weapon.

They won't get my rock until they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

27 posted on 09/06/2009 3:07:36 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: greatdefender

Lord Baden-Powell must be spinning in his grave over what the British Scouting Association has become, not to speak of his England being no longer “Great”. As the parent of an Eagle Scout and a former adult leader myself, I know the value boys place by earning the privilege of carrying a knife by displaying knowledge and maturity. Taking this away does nothing to address the societal sickness of the “yobs” and foreign elements that have overwhelmed the culture.


28 posted on 09/06/2009 3:09:40 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: greatdefender
Tote ’n Chip revoked?
29 posted on 09/06/2009 3:10:00 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: PLMerite
“UK Scouts are prohibited from bring knifes”
In addition to not being fluent in English.

The title is greatdefender's. It's not the one on the story.

30 posted on 09/06/2009 3:10:47 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Cecily

Ass Red Foreman would say “ Dumb A_s”
Idiots


31 posted on 09/06/2009 3:19:16 PM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: boomop1
"They may whittle their little fingers off."

Not to worry, the liberals will make sure certain parts of their lower anatomy have been cut off to prevent any such violent behavior.

32 posted on 09/06/2009 3:20:57 PM PDT by SiVisPacemParaBellum (Peace through superior firepower!)
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To: NonValueAdded

Scout Identified.


33 posted on 09/06/2009 3:22:51 PM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: greatdefender

good thing this fad happened decades ago and not now

34 posted on 09/06/2009 3:26:38 PM PDT by xp38
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To: tired1
Please, end women’s suffrage.

I don't take your point, FRiend. Did something I said offend you?

35 posted on 09/06/2009 3:48:55 PM PDT by rarestia (Confutatis maledictis, voca me cum benedictis)
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To: greatdefender

Lets see, you outlaw pistols and weapons, and thieves use them on the population. When firearms become less available, the thieves resort to using knives - so let’s outlaw knives ... then people will use clubs with a nail sticking out of it.

Meanwhile, the innocent, law-abiding citizen doesn’t have a chance to defend themselves.


36 posted on 09/06/2009 3:57:16 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: NonValueAdded

The day I was issued my “Totin’ Chip” was a proud one. I was also informed that I was granted “totin’ rights” only for as long I showed maturity and responsibility in the safe handling of knives, hatchets, and axes.

It prepared one for the responsible use of firearms later on.

Anyway, it’s madness in the U.K. Plan a vacation there, and then stay home instead.


37 posted on 09/06/2009 3:58:38 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are lubricated in pig grease!")
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To: greatdefender
I guess a game of mumbly-peg is out of the question?
38 posted on 09/06/2009 3:59:21 PM PDT by fini
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To: Crazieman
An effete British superhero, to be precise. I am pilfering your tableware because I hurl it. I hurl it with a deadly accuracy. The Blue Raja is my name. And yes, I know I don't wear much blue and I speak in a British accent, but if you know your history it really does make perfect sense.


39 posted on 09/06/2009 4:02:11 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: greatdefender

Many people forget, or never knew, that one of the first things Hitler did was ban scouting in Germany. Scouting taught children how to be self reliant and that is the last thing a dictatorial government wants children to learn, that includes the modern government in the UK and the US. It is no accident that scouting has been under attack here in the US for quite some time now.


40 posted on 09/06/2009 5:09:14 PM PDT by calex59 (Hope for a new job counts for creating a job! The dimwits are truly insane.)
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To: wolfpat

That’s the one.


41 posted on 09/06/2009 5:13:28 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (No Kay, No Way.)
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To: greatdefender

Next they will take their compass away so the boys can’t stay straight.


42 posted on 09/06/2009 6:04:46 PM PDT by Eaker (If you have a problem and If explosives are an option then explosives are THE answer.)
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To: rarestia

LOL.

Pretty soon they will be unable to have dangerous things like forks in the UK. Then clubs. When they have to eat with chopsticks, they will eventually have people poking out eyes with those, and chopsticks will be banned.

Silliness.


43 posted on 09/06/2009 6:41:21 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: greatdefender

Who need knives anyway, when Great Britain’s gun crimes have gone up 400%. Bloody idiots.


44 posted on 09/06/2009 7:04:26 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 55... 54... 53...)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Have you seen their teeth, though? Might not be a bad idea....oops!!!


45 posted on 09/06/2009 10:52:00 PM PDT by TNdandelion (I'd rather have FedEx run my healthcare than USPS.)
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To: greatdefender

I often take my two boy for hikes in the woods. We’ll drive to our starting point, at which time the boys have to show me their knives. If they don’t have a knife, they’re not allowed to go into the woods.

Matches or a lighter are the number two requirement. They can go in without matches, but it is discouraged.


46 posted on 09/07/2009 6:21:04 AM PDT by gitmo (History books will read that Lincoln freed the slaves and Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: greatdefender

I predict that in the States the BSA will soon prohibit campfires.


47 posted on 09/07/2009 6:23:39 AM PDT by gitmo (History books will read that Lincoln freed the slaves and Obama enslaved the free.)
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