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To: syc1959
Sandra Ramsey Lines is a Forensic Document specialist, no one has dis-credited her.

Sandra Lines didn't claim the COLB was a forgery, though.

My documentation has been used.

Used by who? Orly? Also, everyone who cites your paper online offers only "genealogist" as your expertise. Now I rather enjoy genealogy, but what in your genealogy past gives you experience in digital image examination?

Since when are newspaper announcements - legal documents.

Who asked for legal documents? If that's the standard, I've never seen ANY evidence that Bush or Biden or Palin or Gore or Clinton were born in the U.S., much less in the states they claim. The fact that I've seen Obama's COLB automatically means I've seen more birthplace-evidencing legal documentation for him than any other President prior to or during his Presidency.

His ‘blood-relative’ grandmother stated she was there when he was born.

Sure...if you ignore the multiple times she stated that he was born in Hawaii. Also, fun fact: as early as June 2008, it was claimed that Obama's grandmother had said he was born in Kenya. But nobody ever managed to produce any evidence of that either.

The Ambassador to Kenya, even admitted that where he was born is going to be a monument.

It's a year later; has there been a monument? And if we're to assume that the Ambassador knows the real truth...why would HE know the real truth? One can at least understand why a grandmother might be a trusted source, but why would an Ambassador be a reliable source to know where a U.S. Presidential candidate was born?

Here is the klincher.

http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/obama-is-a-foreign-national-and-kenya-knows-it/

Updated working link; http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/downloads/Tenth%20Parl%201st%20Session/Hansard/5.11.08A.pdf

So you think Obama managed to keep a Kenyan birth a total secret from everybody in the U.S. for 47 years, until some folks started tossing around unsupported rumors in spring 2008...and yet the Kenyan government 'knows' he was born in Kenya? That his true Kenyan birth was simultaneously an amazingly well-kept secret where he lived for five decades, and yet was public knowledge halfway around the world where he had only visited three times? And that interpretation doesn't strike you as a bit silly?

493 posted on 10/01/2009 7:35:38 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: LorenC

You have posted the same arguments on other forums, and every time you have lost, left, and tried on other forums.

Face facts, Obama is an illegal undocumented alien.

“You Can Lead an Obot to Evidence but You Can’t Make Him Think,”

There is stupid
Then there is ‘Obama’ stupid

In the face of reality, Obots depend on Ritalin


495 posted on 10/01/2009 8:18:03 PM PDT by syc1959
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To: LorenC

Used by who? Orly? Also, everyone who cites your paper online offers only “genealogist” as your expertise. Now I rather enjoy genealogy, but what in your genealogy past gives you experience in digital image examination?

You’d be surprised at my past and experience. I am the one that posted THE video that shows you how to create the Obama COLB in 5 min.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd9K2Q3EbVQ

So you think Obama managed to keep a Kenyan birth a total secret.

Then why has he failed to release an authentic ‘certified’ Birth Certificate.

Why has BOTH hospitals in Hawaii, denied that he was born there?
Why has NO doctor, witness, or any other person validate that Barack Obama aka Barry Obama aka Barry Soetoro aka Barry Dunham was ever born in and UNDER the jurisdiction of the United States.


496 posted on 10/01/2009 8:27:18 PM PDT by syc1959
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To: LorenC

Just to keep you on track;

Here are some interesting quotes concerning ‘JURISDICTION’

In the year 1873 the United States Attorney General ruled the word “jurisdiction” under the Fourteenth Amendment to mean:

The word “jurisdiction” must be understood to mean absolute and complete jurisdiction, such as the United States had over its citizens before the adoption of this amendment… Aliens, among whom are persons born here and naturalized abroad, dwelling or being in this country, are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States only to a limited extent. Political and military rights and duties do not pertain to them. (14 Op. Atty-Gen. 300.)

House Report No. 784, dated June 22, 1874, stated, “The United States have not recognized a double allegiance. By our law a citizen is bound to be ‘true and faithful’ alone to our government.” There is no way in the world anyone can claim “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” affirms the feudal common law doctrine of birth citizenship to aliens because such doctrine by operation creates a “double allegiance” between separate nations.

Now, explain, how a British subject governed by British Law, can be under the Jurisdiction of the United States, as defined that “The United States have not recognized a double allegiance”
So if Barack Obama’s allegiance followed his father, followed his father’s condition, regardless of where he was born. Hawaii, the Washington monument, the Oval Office or anywhere else he [Obama] was born is irrelevant, he is not, can not, nor ever be qualified per the Constitution.


497 posted on 10/01/2009 8:31:51 PM PDT by syc1959
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