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Generals: Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney are scaremongering (organized by Human Rights First)
Politico ^ | September 29, 2009 | Josh Gerstein

Posted on 09/29/2009 1:09:58 PM PDT by jazusamo

About a dozen retired generals and admirals, trying to add momentum to President Barack Obama’s effort to close the Guantanamo Bay military prison, are accusing former Vice President Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz of scaremongering about the dangers of closing it.

“It’s up to all of us to say these arguments advanced by Cheney and his acolytes are nonsense and that really what they’re doing is undermining our national security by delaying the date at which Guantanamo is closed,” retired Brig. Gen. James Cullen, a former chief judge of the Army’s Court of Criminal Appeals, told POLITICO Tuesday.

“Some of the fear issues that are being raised in this are really unfortunate. It gets people excited about things they shouldn’t be excited about and impedes doing what is critical to this country. Get that damn symbol off the table,” said retired Gen. David Maddox, a former Army commander-in-chief for Europe. “We take a setback every time somebody, whether it’s the vice president or his daughter comes out and says the things that they say….We have to get out there again and just keep pounding.”

The former vice president and his daughter declined comment on the criticism.

The former military officers, whose Washington visit was organized by Human Rights First, argued rather bitterly that the Cheneys have exaggerated the risks of bringing Guantanamo prisoners from Cuba to the United States.

“Can you imagine getting a terrorist from Guantanamo convicted and put in a federal penitentiary in your town?” Maddox asked. “Have you ever checked who the hell’s in there already? Have any of them gotten out? The person who we’re putting in is probably a heck of lot less dangerous than most of them who are already in there.”

Administration officials recently acknowledged that Guantanamo may not be closed by Obama’s deadline of Jan. 22. But retired Army Maj. Gen. Tony Taguba, who investigated the Abu Ghraib prison scandal in Iraq, said the president was smart to set a mark.

“It forces us to have an end state,” Taguba said. “It cannot be open in perpetuity because we’re having this so called long war against terrorism.”

The retired officers met Monday with Attorney General Eric Holder and planned to confer later with Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair and Deputy Secretary of Defense William Lynn.

Holder gave no indication of when the administration might settle on a U.S. site to relocate Guantanamo prisoners, the former military leaders said.

Obama announced the one-year-closure plan on his second full day in office. But the administration lost control of the legislative process in April when the Senate voted 90-6 against funding for the closure. Democrats joined Republicans, who argued that it was a foolish risk to bring suspected terrorists into the United States.

“Closing Guantanamo is of a strategic value,” Taguba said. “Seeing people in orange jumpsuits and whatever have you creates such an excitement for people to be jihadists and terrorists…It’s not helping us.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cheney; dickcheney; fearmongering; gitmo; guantanamo; gwot; lizcheney; obama

1 posted on 09/29/2009 1:09:58 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

They can yell all they want to have GITMO closed and blame everybody but themselves, but you just can’t close GITMO until you have some alternative. Obama spoke too soon. Seems like he (HE?) often dives into the shallow water IMHO.


2 posted on 09/29/2009 1:13:43 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama installs a fifth column inside the US Government. Why?)
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To: Rapscallion

Yep, and he may be having second thoughts on it.


3 posted on 09/29/2009 1:16:02 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
“Can you imagine getting a terrorist from Guantanamo convicted and put in a federal penitentiary in your town?” Maddox asked. “Have you ever checked who the hell’s in there already? Have any of them gotten out? The person who we’re putting in is probably a heck of lot less dangerous than most of them who are already in there.”

Maddox is either completely disingenuous; i.e., willing to lie through his teeth, or he is a pea-brain! The issue is NOT escapes or "getting out". The issue is allowing these military prisoners access to the U.S. court system where they will be released due to different rules of evidence.

4 posted on 09/29/2009 1:16:26 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: jazusamo
About a dozen retired generals and admirals,

and what do the other some odd thousand or so admirals and generals say?

5 posted on 09/29/2009 1:16:36 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: jazusamo

Sarah Palin-Liz Cheney 2012


6 posted on 09/29/2009 1:17:07 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: jazusamo
Seeing people in orange jumpsuits

this argument has never made any sense to me; they look like losers. I'd think that's why kids would rather wear a Yankee hat than a Washington National hat; more T shirts with Manning than Schuler.

7 posted on 09/29/2009 1:17:16 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: jazusamo
But the administration lost control of the legislative process in April when the Senate voted 90-6 against funding for the closure.

Imagine that: Politicians who are smarter and wiser than some so-called "retired generals and admirals."

Something smells funny about the aforementioned generals, especially when one of them refers to "this so called long war against terrorism."

Once again, the Cheneys are wise to not comment on this sham.

8 posted on 09/29/2009 1:17:42 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: JohnLongIsland
and what do the other some odd thousand or so admirals and generals say?

I believe Human Rights First only getting a dozen general officers to attend speaks volumns.

9 posted on 09/29/2009 1:19:49 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Somebody give me a list of these “generals and admirals”.


10 posted on 09/29/2009 1:20:08 PM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: jazusamo
Liz Cheney Emerging as GOP Star

(Sept. 28) -- Liz Cheney, the older daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney, is emerging from her father's shadow to become a Republican star in her own right.

In a profile by The New York Times, conservatives praise Liz Cheney, saying she's key to the Republican Party's future. At a recent gathering of conservative women in Nashville, Tenn., Rebecca Wales called her "a red state rock star."

11 posted on 09/29/2009 1:21:20 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (It's a Girl!)
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To: jazusamo
About a dozen retired generals and admirals buttlicking, perfumed, dancing and prancing REMFs trying to add momentum to President Barack Obama’s effort to close the Guantanamo Bay military prison, are accusing former Vice President Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz of scaremongering about the dangers of closing it.

There fixed it. Probably the types who spent their entire careers as staff pogues.

12 posted on 09/29/2009 1:21:44 PM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: jazusamo

I thought the problem was with incarcerating people without trial. How does moving them from Guantanomo to another prison solve that problem.?

They will be forced to bring these people to trial, these people will get turned loose by Judges like the General who wants them moved to Ameirca and then they will kill more people.


13 posted on 09/29/2009 1:23:38 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Rapscallion

First of all the General is a Lawyer and I doubt ever served a day in combat. Second, the only ones that this is a symbol to is the left wingers. I doubt Ahmed getting ready to blow himself up gives two shits about the symbolism of Gitmo.


14 posted on 09/29/2009 1:23:42 PM PDT by marlon
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To: La Enchiladita
Once again, the Cheneys are wise to not comment on this sham.

Agree, this group is irrelevant in the issue.

15 posted on 09/29/2009 1:24:29 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
“Have you ever checked who the hell’s in there already? Have any of them gotten out?"

http://www.bing.com/search?q=escaped+prisoners&form=QBRE&qs=n

"Escaped Prisoners" search on Bing.com produced 3,730,000 results.

16 posted on 09/29/2009 1:25:37 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: jazusamo
Interesting that the left is grouping Liz in with her dad now. I bet they both are proud of that association. I know I am. Darth Cheney II
17 posted on 09/29/2009 1:26:10 PM PDT by McGruff (Go rogue baby, go rogue!)
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To: jazusamo

It flips me out to know that we have so many craven liberals in our officer corps.

You can bet that if there are so many retired ones who lean left, there are lots of active ones who do the same, sadly.


18 posted on 09/29/2009 1:26:55 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: McGruff
I know I am. Darth Cheney II

Absolutely!

19 posted on 09/29/2009 1:29:28 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Scanian

When I read the article I was surprised Clark or McPeak’s name wasn’t there.


20 posted on 09/29/2009 1:30:28 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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The problem is not that they will break out of prison. The problem is that, once here, they will have access to federal courts run by politicized judges who will release the terrorists to live among us. And perhaps to kill and maim again. These former officers, although few in number, will be relentlessly hyped by the MSM. They are vile disloyal men whose ambition has overcome their love of country. We have seen this before. Think Benedict Arnold.


21 posted on 09/29/2009 1:32:55 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: jazusamo

Like Mrine Corp General Zinni Said:

“And then what”..........


22 posted on 09/29/2009 1:36:43 PM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

She’s over 50% on both questions, favorability and running for office, that’s pretty good.


23 posted on 09/29/2009 1:39:27 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: JohnLongIsland

Most of these “generals and admirals” are apparently also lawyers, or held the equivalent military positions. Looks like they set the priority on their loyalties. Lawyer first, officer second.


24 posted on 09/29/2009 1:45:34 PM PDT by henkster (0bamanomics: The "Final Solution" to America's "Prosperity Question.")
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To: jazusamo
So how about we hold these Generals personally responsible for any mischief these Guantanamo detainees get into after any move. If they kill someone, then these Generals elect one of their own to be executed. If they so much as spit on a guard, these Generals have to pick one of their group to be spat upon.

Sound like a plan, gents?

:::crickets:::

25 posted on 09/29/2009 1:50:07 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Colin Powell for one!


26 posted on 09/29/2009 1:52:35 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: jazusamo
We can't close GITMO. Where will we put the biggest super terrorists of all time, Barack Obama and his whole cabinet once they are tried for treason.
27 posted on 09/29/2009 1:57:48 PM PDT by jetson
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To: TexasCajun

Sarah Palin-Liz Cheney 2012

Works for me!


28 posted on 09/29/2009 2:00:01 PM PDT by Robbin (If Sarah isn’t welcome, I’m not welcome, it’s just that simple…)
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To: jazusamo
When I read the article I was surprised Clark or McPeak’s name wasn’t there.

I would have expected both of them to be leading the "charge".

29 posted on 09/29/2009 2:00:59 PM PDT by Bob
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To: jazusamo
Obama and the Dems could close GITMO in a heartbeat it they wanted. How is Cheney or Liz preventing Obama from closing GITMO? Neither of these two are in the government. Is Obama and his ilk trying to scapegoat Cheney? Is this a political ploy in which Obama says that he wanted to close GITMO, but Cheney wouldn't let him? None of this makes much sense to me.
30 posted on 09/29/2009 2:23:46 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex

I believe it boils down to Human Rights First gathering a group of perfumed princes in the form of general officers to politically speak out against the Cheney’s. The princes are irrelevant.


31 posted on 09/29/2009 2:50:39 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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