Posted on 10/05/2009 8:09:08 PM PDT by mrisiah
I smell ZOT!
No.
By their fruit you will know them.
The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
Thats how you know God’s people.
Don’t get me started.
Just so. The “Jesus” of Islam is simply incompatible with the Jesus of the Bible.
I would add that there are numerous incompatibilities with the Old Testament as well. The story of Abraham and Isaac becomes the story of Abraham and Ishmael. The chosen line of descent from Abraham differs completely from that in the Hebrew Bible.
These are not only theological differences, but differences in accounts of history and of vital facts.
The Hebrew Bible has been changed from what it was centuries ago. The KJV is consistent with the vast majority of available manuscripts. Of course, the modern versions of the Bible are a mess, a la Westcott and Hort.
The Qur’an is another story with it’s historical mistakes. Ex., Jesus was crucified, then saying Jesus was NOT crucified.
>> Is the Qur’an Accurate?
I don’t know... never gave it any thought.
I can say that pages torn from a Koran are good for mopping up oily spills, training puppies, and starting fires in the fireplace.
And I’d never be without one at deer camp... we keep it out by the latrine.
Well, The historical errors in the Qran disagree with any version of the Hebrew Bible that I’ve ever heard of.
The Hebrew Bible agrees that G-d is the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And the Twelve Tribes of Israel are the children of Jacob, whom G-d renamed Israel.
The Qran pretends that the succession as chosen by Allah was entirely different. The chosen son of Abraham was Ishmael, and so forth. This is simply incompatible with any version of the Bible accepted by Jews, Catholics, or Protestants. And of course it also differs from the genealogy of Jesus as given in the New Testament.
The god of Islam is solitary. The God of Christianity is Trinitarian. The two views are not compatible at all.
Well, Mohamad was a thief. He tried to convince the Jews of Medina that he was the moshiach. When they disagreed he had them slaughtered. Then he said about composing (with the assistance of one who could read) his foul book.
Piss be on the so-called...prophet.
Zot or not...My God tells us his name. It is:
Exodus 3:14 (King James Version)
14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Was posting a thread on the date of sign up your first clue? ;~) Seems to be a fair indicator in my book.
As to the question, if a book of lies can be considered accurate....
Islam is a cult of death...nothing more..nothing less...
In addition to the use of religious violence: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/JESUS.Vs.Muhammad.html
Coming hundreds of years after Christ and the completion of the Bible, Muhammad claimed to be after the order of Biblical prophets, yet he founded a religion that is radically different from that of the Bible, and Islam depends upon deception and the sword* in order to spread and defend it.
Muhammad could not read and likely got the Biblical stories from people who were Biblically illiterate, and thus garbled them. But he thought he was faithful and said to check him out with the people of the Book (Jews and Christians: Sura 5:48-52). When Islam realized the contradictions between the Bible – which as the prior source is the authority – and the Quran then they came up with the theory that the Bible was changed wherever it contradicts the Quran ( which is more often than it agrees with it).. However, that is a lie that can only be defended in a vacuum, as not only would that require not simply changes but virtually a complete rewriting of the Bible. But we have thousands of extant Biblical manuscripts (partial or entire), many of which substantially predate the Quran, but not even one supports the Islamic allegations! While there are better and poorer manuscripts, and a very small amount of actual variance between them, every one of them that has the pertinent passages declares (among many other things Islam denies) that Christ was the son of God, who died for our sins and rose again!
Muhammad likely got the Biblical stories from people who were Biblically illiterate and garbled them. But he evidently thought he was faithful and said to check him out with the people of the Book (Jews and Christians: Sura 5:48-52). Muhammed himself is seen to uphold the Scriptures[7] that existed then as divinely inspired, both the Torah, (Sura 2:87) and the Psalms, (4:163) and the Gospels, (Suras 3:3; 5:46) such as in stating,
If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. 10:94 (Y. Ali)
Say: “O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord, (Sura 5:68; Y. Ali) and
And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, “We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam). (Sura 29:46; Y. Ali)
When Islam realized the contradictions between the Bible (which as the prior source is the authority – and the Quran) then they came up with the theory that the Bible was changed wherever it contradicts the Quran ( which is more often than it agrees with it).. However, that is a lie that can only be defended in a vacuum, as that would require not simply changes but virtually a complete rewriting of the New Testament and substantial changes to the Old! Yet we have thousands of extant Biblical manuscripts (partial or entire), including those that substantially predate the Quran, and absolutely NONE of them support the Islamic contradictions and allegations, while every single manuscript of the pertinent passages declares (among many other things Islam denies) that Christ was the son of God, who died for our sins and rose again!
Moreover, though claiming to be a prophet, unlike prophets in the Bible Muhammad did not prophecy as in making predictions that came true. He did not even prepare well for his demise, thus the major divisions in Islam today. Even in a literary sense his writings are vastly inferior to the Bible, as they are largely disjointed revelations of only one writer, with nary an historical narratives or systematic teachings.
And though reverenced as a holy man, Muhammad was a decidedly unholy soul, who murdered unbelievers once he was established in power, and raised caravans to get loot, as his “revelations” corresponded to his desires, and so he had sex with a 9 year old wife.
At less than 80,000 words, (figures vary: 77,701 in Arabic by one source,[3] 77,439 by ‘Ata bin Yasar[4]) the Qur’an is much smaller than the Bible, (602,585 words in the Old Testament; 180,552 in the New = 783,037,[5] with the KJV being counted at 788,258 words total.[6]) The Qur’an is also far more restrictive in in its scope of communication, lacking the manner of extensive historical narratives of the Bible, and the context it provides for its commands, as well as genealogical records which helps provide historical chronology. In addition, absent from the Qur’an are extended doctrinal discourses on salvation, such as are especially seen in the New Testament. This results in difficultly formulating extensive systematic theology out of the Qur’an by itself, and in its allusions to Biblical characters and events evidences that it requires knowledge of the Bible, which as the prior revelation, it must agree with.
Sura 6:34 states that “there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah.” However, the Qur’an critically contradicts the Bible,[8] especially as concerns the person and work of Jesus Christ, as it flatly denies His death and resurrection, as well as His Divine nature, both of which which are held by Christians to be abundantly testified to.[9][10]
Islamic apologists recognize these contradictions, and therefore charge that the Bible was tampered with, though the amount of alterations required to explain the Quranic deviations from Biblical text would require a radical amount of rewriting, especially of the latter.
Christian apologists respond to these charges by evidencing that an abundance of manuscripts which predate the Quran yet exist,[11] such as the Codex Sinaiticus (c. 350 CE), with Aland numbering a total of 230 extant New Testament manuscript portions which pre-date 600 AD (192 Greek New Testament manuscripts, 5 Greek lectionaries containing scripture, and 33 translations of the Greek New Testament).[12][13] The doctrinal conflation of these with later manuscripts manifest that the alleged rewriting did not take place.[14][15]
While Muslims also typically claim that the text of the Qur’an is identical to that received by Muhammad. Christian researchers contend that there is overwhelming evidence that it is not. [20]
As no extant Biblical manuscript, from before the time of Muhammed or after him, agrees with the Quranic contradictions, many Muslim apologists look to the Gospel of Barnabas for support. However, this radically different account is judged by both Christian and secular academics, (and some Muslims such as Abbas el-Akkad), as a late work and pseudepigraphical. With its obvious anachronisms and historical errors (like sailing to Nazareth) and utter lack of early manuscript evidence and irreconcilable differences between it and any ancient manuscripts, it is seen as a fourteenth century attempt to read later Islamic doctrine into the Bible, which clearly refutes it.[21] [22] [23] [24]
http://www.conservapedia.com/Quran#The_Bible_versus_the_Qur.27an
As a paper weight or kindling it does just fine. ZOT?
You mean the Jesus of Islam that is basically a girl friday or whatever the correct political term is?
Better than my post.
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