Is the Qur’an Accurate?

The Chronicle watch ^ | October 5, 2009 | Mr. H

[mrisiah]

Christians and Muslims; different God

With these surahs from the Qur’an we can verify exclusively that Christians and Muslims DO NOT worship the same God.

[Vendome]

Maybe it was the BWV. Bizarro World Version.

[Vendome]

Geeze! You were just waiting to repost that one. LOL

[Nathan Zachary]

"Is the Qur’an Accurate?"

How can a work of fiction be accurate?

Does this- the words of Allah, the one and only Islamic Moon god, whose word cannot be questioned- sound accurate?:

Qur'an 18:83 "They ask you about Dhu'l-Qarnain [Alexander the Great]. Say, 'I will cite something of his story. We gave him authority in the land and means of accomplishing his goals. So he followed a path until he reached the setting place of the sun. He saw that it set in black, muddy, hot water. Near it he found people."

Or Allah's profound wisdom shown here:

Qur'an 67:3 "We created seven heavens, one above the other. Muhammad, can you see any fault in Ar-Rahman's [what Mohammad named his god before he slaughtered the Meccans and stole the "allah" name, which is what the pagan rock worshipers called their black rock god] creation? Look again: Can you see any rifts or fissures? Then look again and yet again. Your gaze turns back dazed and tired. We have adorned the lowest skies with lamps, and We have made them missiles to drive away the devils and against the stone Satans, and for them We have prepared the doom of Hell and the penalty of torment in the most intense Blazing Fire."

Now the works of IBN Ishaq, which describes what Islam really is and who Mohammad really was, that's accurate.

It has to be. It was the only accounting of Mohammad ever written within 100 years of his death. If Ishaq wrong, Islam can't exist. Nobody else can have it right. All other Muslim scholars, like Bukhari,(written 800 years after Mohammads death) Islam, Hisham etc. take from those original works, leaving out the most brutal and embarrassing stuff of course.

[daniel1212]

Yup. One of my Yahoo answers.

[Vendome]

I like both your posts.

[Nathan Zachary]

"I would add that there are numerous incompatibilities with the Old Testament as well. The story of Abraham and Isaac becomes the story of Abraham and Ishmael. The chosen line of descent from Abraham differs completely from that in the Hebrew Bible.

These are not only theological differences, but differences in accounts of history and of vital facts.

There isn't a single bible story, or bible verse in the Koran period.

The stories in the Koran of Abraham and Ismeal are pure crap, invented by Mohammad or whoever passed on early Koranic stories; other stories are twisted versions of old Jewish fables that were told to children.

[daniel1212]

Thank God, but its very late and i was a bit redundant.

More useful links:

http://www.answeringinfidels.com/answering-infidels/answering-muslims/
http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm
http://www.answering-islam.org
http://www.muslimhope.com/
http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm
http://www.muhammadanism.org/Muhammad/Muhammad_Terrorism.htm

Good night from NE.

[Nathan Zachary]

"and the Quran then they came up with the theory that the Bible was changed wherever it contradicts the Quran ( which is more often than it agrees with it)."

The bible doesn't "agree" with the Koran anywhere.

Some of Mohammad's stories were tricks played on him by the Medina Jews.
Mohammad was trying to convince them that he was a prophet. He had sent a spy to mingle with the Jews and gather bible scripture. The Jews knew of this spy, and fed him fables. Mohammad would then repeat these back to the Jews at one of his gatherings, and the Jews would laugh at him.

Mohammad found out, which is why 3/4 of the Koran is a rant against Jews.
Afterwards he slaughtered them all.

[Vendome]

Thank you.

[Nathan Zachary]

"his “revelations” corresponded to his desires, and so he had sex with a 9 year old wife."

Although Modern Scholars say 9, and some hadith and sura's were altered, (poorly) careful reading shows that Aisha was in fact only 6 years old when he raped her, destroying her at the same time, which is why she was never able to have kids.

1. Aisha's parents never moved to Medina after Mohammad was expelled from Mecca. But the rape took place in her parents home in Mecca.

2. Aisha claims a "nurse" took her off a swing, wiping her face. SHe was taken by her hand and was "breathless" from being walked from the swing to the "house"(most likely a tent or mud walled tent) and placed on the pedophile's lap.

3. In those times, a "nurse" was a wet nurse, a slave or lower order person who breast fed the young children so that the wife could resume her husbandly duties sooner, go on trade caravans etc.
Even in those times, 9 year olds weren't breast fed. Aisha's description puts the nurse on the swing, and her on her lap breast feeding, which is why her face needed wiping.

4. A nine year old wouldn't be out of breath trying to keep up with a wet nurse in that short distance from the swing to the house. she would probably be able to outrun her in fact.

5. A nine year old wouldn't need to be "put" in Mohammad's lap. He was probably sitting on the ground as well. They didn't make furniture in Mecca at the time. There was no wood there. They couldn't even make a roof over the Ka'aba (rock god temple)

6. Mohammad was kicked out of Mecca shortly after he "married" Aisha, so she had to still be six, or even younger.

7. The order of events confirms that Aisha was only six. Her parents were dead when Mohammad returned to Mecca and slaughter the tribe (his own tribe) which expelled him. That is also when he quit calling his god "Ar-Rahman" and took the name "Allah" which is what the Meccan rock god worshipers called the black stone.

[Elsiejay]

Nothing in Abraham’s religion affords a basis for claiming that Islam stems from the beliefs and faith of Abraham. Abraham may be the biological progenitor of the Arab people, through Ishmael, but that does not even suggest a spiritual or “philosophy of religion” linkage to Islam, the deity of which is one of the moon gods worshipped by nomadic Arabs.

[Guyin4Os]

...the deity of which is one of the moon gods worshipped by nomadic Arabs

Exactly correct. Abram/Abraham never worshipped al-Ilah, the moon god of Islam. He worshipped El Elyon, God Most High.

[VietVet]

So, Muhamed’s original name for God was Ar-rahman? That is very interesting, for the Persian name for the devil, the opponent of Ahura-Mazda, was Ahriman, which means something like the Enemy or the Adversary. The Arabs would have picked up some of the lore of the Persian religions through trade and travel, but they probably would not have learned detailed theology for a no-longer current religion. Re-assigning names and roles in mythology is not unknown.

Well, for those to whom Names Mean Something, that really is an argument for the thesis that the God of Judeism and Christianity is not the Allah of Islam: Ar-Rahman = Ahriman = Satan.

Course, in my opinion, God is God, and the merely human and historical names applied to Him by men do not define Him.

[combat_boots]

Jesus is a “historical figure” and “teacher.” Remember who said that?

Positively koranic.

[daniel1212]

Interesting, but what is your source(s)?

[Cronos]

Korn says that Abraham was asked by G-d to sacrifice Ishmael, not Isaac. Mo came up with this revelation about 2600 years after the incident and no one in that period of time had said it was wrong. Very strange. And you ask if the Korn is accurate?

[newfreep]

mrisiah
Since Oct 5, 2009

[newfreep]

Very telling and worth repeating!

So, Muhamed’s original name for God was Ar-rahman? That is very interesting, for the Persian name for the devil, the opponent of Ahura-Mazda, was Ahriman,

[Cronos]

I would add that there are numerous incompatibilities with the Old Testament as well. The story of Abraham and Isaac becomes the story of Abraham and Ishmael. The chosen line of descent from Abraham differs completely from that in the Hebrew Bible. These are not only theological differences, but differences in accounts of history and of vital facts.

Verily spoken -- and those are put in because Mo's real aim wasArab nationalism.

[Cronos]

The god of Islam is solitary

Not really, Al had 3 daughters: Allat, Uzzat and Amat (check "the satanic verses") and Mo said that Mooselimbs need to worship them, then he recanted saying a devil whispered it in his ear. Of course, the idols of these 3 (daughters of the Moon god Sin a.k.a. Al) were in the Ka'aba....